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Flydd
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How character stats are calculated Version 2
#26649 - 07/01/07 08:34 PM

This post arose from another thread in the player guides forum. I posted my ideas there but have since messed about with other characters and I think I have worked out how things like HP, MP and so on are calculated. This is a working hypothesis I cannot prove these or state that this is how it is done but this is how I think things are calculated. If you spot an error please tell me and if when using the formula's below come out with a different answer to me post here so I can modify things.

First a run through of what attributes affect what.

Strength(STR) - this affects melee damage and defence

Agility(AGI) - this affects ranged damage and attack rating

Endurance(END) - this affects your hit points(HP)

Intelligence(INT) - this affects your mana points(MP) and all offensive skill damage except for butcher and cleave from the fighter skill trainer

The Basic Equations:

HP = [(25*(1+health per END bonus as a decimal))*END]+[16*level]+extra HP

MP = [(17*(1+mana per INT bonus as a decimal))*INT]+[5*level]+extra MP

AR = [(14*AGI)*(1+percentage AR bonus as a decimal)]+extra AR

DEF= [(8.25*STR)*(1+percentage DEF bonus as a decimal)]+Armours DEF rating+extra DEF

Some terms explained:

health per END bonus as a decimal - this refers to bonuses from passives such as gym freak which would mean 0.75 is added or bookworm where -0.5 is added.

mana per INT bonus as a decimal - this refers to bonuses from passives such as bookworm with would mean 1.00 is added or average BMI where -0.1 is added

+extra X - some equipment gives +XXX HP, AR or Def this is where this is added

percentage AR bonus as a decimal- some equipment gives +1% AR this would mean that 0.01 is added here

percentage DEF bonus as a decimal - some equipment gives +5% Def this would mean that 0.05 is added here

The Damage Equations:

The above equations I am very happy with, the damage equations are where it gets tricky. The below damage equations are only estimates at the moment.

Min Melee Damage = [0.6*STR]+Min weapon damage
Max Melee Damage = [1.75*STR]+Max weapon damage

Min Ranged Damage = [0.75*AGI]+Min weapon damage
Max Ranged Damage = [1.5*AGI]+Max weapon damage

Skill damage is not included at the moment as there is no way to determine what the base damage of a skill is as it is not possible to go to 0 INT. I am currently requesting data to help refine the above damage equations and to try and solve the skill damage equation. If you wish to help with the data collection click the appropriate link below:

Melee Damage
Ranged Damage
Skill Damage

Critical Hit Equation

I have decided to add this in as lately there has been a lot of posts on the forums about the way critical hits are calculated. There is a base 3% chance to perform a critical hit bonuses to the critical hit chance effect this base value by the following equation:

Critical Chance(%) = 3 * (1 + (Total bonus Crit chance/100)

The total bonus crit chance is the number you get from adding up all the bonuses from equipment with things like +X% critical. Melee criticals stack with each other and ranged criticals stack with each other but melee and ranged don't stack together.

The Tohit Equations:

Currently I have not found a way to calculate the tohit equations The below equation is only supposition and may be wrong altogether (it most likely is) but it is the only way I can see it working.

0.05 < tohit < 0.95

tohit = base tohit * [(AR/target def) + ((your level – target level)/10)]

The above equations would mean that you can never have a worse than 5% chance tohit and a better than 95% chance tohit. I would assume that the base tohit value would be around 50%.

Well that is it, hope it makes sense and is useful. Questions and comments welcome.

Many Thanks

Flydd

Edit:On 7/10 added the "Critical Hit Equation" section

Edited by Crickette (07/10/07 05:00 PM)

JoeB1978
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Re: How character stats are calculated
#26654 - 07/01/07 10:20 PM

I will look at all of the equations more tomorrow. Also if you look in the mage section there are a few threads about spell damage and how INT affects it. But 2 things:

1. AGI does not affect attack rate but attack rating (both ranged and melee). This is your chance to hit not the speed in which you attack. That is determined by the weapon + gear modifiers + speed buff.

2. INT affects spell damage not all skills. Fighter skills such as cleave and butcher, all resistances are not affected by INT.

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Flydd Chicken Hawk Posts: 194	Re: How character stats are calculated [Re: #26654] #26684 - 07/02/07 06:55 AM
	Sorry I meant attack rating will change that. Will change spell damage as well. It was originally spell damage but I thought that may imply it affects only mage skills. -------------------- Flydd, semi retired mage currently at the long dark teatime of the retirement castle

Eldritch Chicken Hawk Posts: 107	Re: How character stats are calculated [Re: #26684] #26700 - 07/02/07 11:27 AM
	Quote: HP = [(25(1+health per END bonus as a decimal))END]+[16*level]+extra HP im not positive, but isnt there an added constant of the base HP given at level 1, or do you start with 41hp? -------------------- Level 100 Noob.

Flydd Chicken Hawk Posts: 194	Re: How character stats are calculated [Re: #26700] #26731 - 07/02/07 01:53 PM
	Quote: Quote: HP = [(25(1+health per END bonus as a decimal))END]+[16level]+extra HP im not positive, but isnt there an added constant of the base HP given at level 1, or do you start with 41hp? At level 1 you have 10 END so minimum HP you can get with no bonuses is 2510+16*1= 266 -------------------- Flydd, semi retired mage currently at the long dark teatime of the retirement castle

Rakehell Chicken Hawk Posts: 165	Re: How character stats are calculated #27096 - 07/03/07 04:49 PM
	I am a lover of formulas and the gritty math of how things work So a big thanks for these formulas Flydd, saves me doing them up myself hehe -------------------- Rakehell-100 Ace Touchy Pirate-High World Drifter Kill 'em all, let the dirt sort 'em out.

FireX New Kid Posts: 24	Re: How character stats are calculated [Re: #27096] #27922 - 07/07/07 08:00 PM
	I think i make make a VB program for these. I've been looking for a project to do. -------------------- FireX

bdragon361 Armchair Warrior Posts: 32	Re: How character stats are calculated [Re: #27922] #28093 - 07/08/07 07:58 PM
	ty for this i would get a headach if i had to try to figure this out myself -------------------- "light flashes, blood falls,death pierces the darkness!"

Leise New Kid Posts: 1	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 #28559 - 07/11/07 07:55 PM
	Nice work, thank you.

Eldritch
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Posts: 107

Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2
#28579 - 07/11/07 10:05 PM

Quote:

Critical Hit Equation

I have decided to add this in as lately there has been a lot of posts on the forums about the way critical hits are calculated. There is a base 3% chance to perform a critical hit bonuses to the critical hit chance effect this base value by the following equation:

Critical Chance(%) = 3 * (1 + (Total bonus Crit chance/100)

The total bonus crit chance is the number you get from adding up all the bonuses from equipment with things like +X% critical. Melee criticals stack with each other and ranged criticals stack with each other but melee and ranged don't stack together.

Im confused, could you furthur explain this?
500% crit bonus is 500% of 3% of 1 which is 15% of 1 plus the base of 3% = 18% of 1 right?

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Level 100 Noob.

JoeB1978 Veteran Posts: 1,085	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #28579] #28593 - 07/11/07 10:56 PM
	How I figure out Crit Hit is: Critical Chance (%) = 3 + 3(Total bonus/100) For eldritchs example of +500% crit chance: 3 + 3(500/100) = 18% -------------------- JoeB - Level 100 - Back to a Fighter where he belongs SirOldBottom - Level 42 - Shadow Merc Mearlin - Level 29 - Mage Dungeon Runners Map Build 0.95

FireX New Kid Posts: 24	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 #28617 - 07/12/07 05:05 AM
	I made a VB program to configure you equations, so far only MP and AR seem to correct.I striped down my gear and took out the buffs in my hotbar to double check. you can see for yourself if you'd like. Pretty close though. stat configure program -------------------- FireX

Flydd
Chicken Hawk
Posts: 194

Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #28579]
#28622 - 07/12/07 06:05 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Critical Hit Equation

I have decided to add this in as lately there has been a lot of posts on the forums about the way critical hits are calculated. There is a base 3% chance to perform a critical hit bonuses to the critical hit chance effect this base value by the following equation:

Critical Chance(%) = 3 * (1 + (Total bonus Crit chance/100)

The total bonus crit chance is the number you get from adding up all the bonuses from equipment with things like +X% critical. Melee criticals stack with each other and ranged criticals stack with each other but melee and ranged don't stack together.

Im confused, could you furthur explain this?
500% crit bonus is 500% of 3% of 1 which is 15% of 1 plus the base of 3% = 18% of 1 right?

THe way the equation works if you have 500% then:

crit = 3 * (1 + 500/100) = 3 * (1+5) = 3*6 = 18%

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Flydd, semi retired mage currently at the long dark teatime of the retirement castle

Flydd
Chicken Hawk
Posts: 194

Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #28617]
#28623 - 07/12/07 06:09 AM

Quote:

I made a VB program to configure you equations, so far only MP and AR seem to correct.I striped down my gear and took out the buffs in my hotbar to double check. you can see for yourself if you'd like. Pretty close though.

stat configure program

Your program is wrong as it comes up with the wrong figure for lvl 1 HP so either there is something wrong with your equations or you have a bug in the program as the first equations are as far as I can tell correct.

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Flydd, semi retired mage currently at the long dark teatime of the retirement castle

Eldritch Chicken Hawk Posts: 107	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #28622] #28678 - 07/12/07 04:08 PM
	Quote: THe way the equation works if you have 500% then: crit = 3 * (1 + 500/100) = 3 * (1+5) = 3*6 = 18% ah k, misread it earlier.. you just factored out the 3 so yours is the same as mine -------------------- Level 100 Noob.

Flydd
Chicken Hawk
Posts: 194

Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #28678]
#28696 - 07/12/07 05:07 PM

Quote:

Quote:

THe way the equation works if you have 500% then:

crit = 3 * (1 + 500/100) = 3 * (1+5) = 3*6 = 18%

ah k, misread it earlier.. you just factored out the 3 so yours is the same as mine

Factored as that is the more mathematically elegant way according to the people who taught me maths.

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Flydd, semi retired mage currently at the long dark teatime of the retirement castle

Gerronos Armchair Warrior Posts: 27	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #28696] #30625 - 07/27/07 04:22 PM
	So Im corrected in believing now that an item with a 74% crit chance will NOT make my crit chance 77%, but will add 74% of 3 to my original crit chance, making it 5.14 or some such number.

Aramynthia Chicken Hawk Posts: 132	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #30625] #30628 - 07/27/07 04:44 PM
	Quote: So Im corrected in believing now that an item with a 74% crit chance will NOT make my crit chance 77%, but will add 74% of 3 to my original crit chance, making it 5.14 or some such number. Yep. 5.22%.

Mac13eth New Kid Posts: 15	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #30628] #31261 - 08/02/07 02:41 PM
	So I understand most of those, but how can I calculate DPS from min/max damage and speed? What does each speed rating mean in shots per second or shots per minute?

Flydd
Chicken Hawk
Posts: 194

Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31261]
#31265 - 08/02/07 03:07 PM

DPS is tricky as to do an accurate calculation you need to involve the tohit chance which we dont know.

The simple DPS equation is:

[min + max]/2*Attack Speed

A more complex DPS equation which is slightly more accurate is:

[[min + max]/2]*[1+[0.03*Bonus Crit Percent/100]]*[1/Attack Speed]

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Flydd, semi retired mage currently at the long dark teatime of the retirement castle

B_Gnome
New Kid
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Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31261]
#31269 - 08/02/07 03:29 PM

Quote:

So I understand most of those, but how can I calculate DPS from min/max damage and speed? What does each speed rating mean in shots per second or shots per minute?

Speed on the character sheet is calculated as seconds per shot (which is the inverse of shots per second, as you would normally think of). So in order to calculate average Damage per Second, you need to average your min and max damage and factor in your firing rate:
[(Min Dmg + Max Dmg)/2]/Attack Speed

Mac13eth
New Kid
Posts: 15

Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31269]
#31271 - 08/02/07 03:55 PM

Quote:

Speed on the character sheet is calculated as seconds per shot (which is the inverse of shots per second, as you would normally think of). So in order to calculate average Damage per Second, you need to average your min and max damage and factor in your firing rate:
[(Min Dmg + Max Dmg)/2]/Attack Speed

So how many seconds per shot for each speed rating? In other words how many seconds per shot for Very Fast, Fast, Normal and so forth?

Flydd
Chicken Hawk
Posts: 194

Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31271]
#31273 - 08/02/07 05:13 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Speed on the character sheet is calculated as seconds per shot (which is the inverse of shots per second, as you would normally think of). So in order to calculate average Damage per Second, you need to average your min and max damage and factor in your firing rate:
[(Min Dmg + Max Dmg)/2]/Attack Speed

So how many seconds per shot for each speed rating? In other words how many seconds per shot for Very Fast, Fast, Normal and so forth?

Your attack speed is on your character sheet. The character sheet also includes the min and max damage to use in these equations.

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Flydd, semi retired mage currently at the long dark teatime of the retirement castle

JlNXED Actual Hawk Posts: 205	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31273] #31304 - 08/02/07 09:39 PM
	Dont forget that +elemental damage to weapon attack is added last and not crittable (is that a word?) and doesnt show up in the character sheet. And mobs hold a certain degree of def/resist vs elemental attacks. Like my shoulds adding 88 poison dmg per attack, they only do 53 dmg per attack to the Queen... -------------------- Jinxed - Lvl 100 --------------------

Flydd Chicken Hawk Posts: 194	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31304] #31324 - 08/03/07 05:59 AM
	Do people basically want me to add a DPS section to the guide? -------------------- Flydd, semi retired mage currently at the long dark teatime of the retirement castle

Mac13eth New Kid Posts: 15	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31324] #31336 - 08/03/07 09:14 AM
	Yes please!

JlNXED Actual Hawk Posts: 205	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31336] #31338 - 08/03/07 09:24 AM
	My guess is that that is what ppl are looking for. Heck, everyone can see their hp/mana by just bringing up the char sheet. Total redundant information to be able to 'calculate' ones health. But DPS, now that is good to know -------------------- Jinxed - Lvl 100 --------------------

Gerronos Armchair Warrior Posts: 27	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31338] #31353 - 08/03/07 01:29 PM
	Dps, in my simplistic math style = (((max + min)/2) * attack rating)+ bonuses And I was an english major!

Flydd Chicken Hawk Posts: 194	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31353] #31355 - 08/03/07 02:18 PM
	Quote: Dps, in my simplistic math style = (((max + min)/2) * attack rating)+ bonuses And I was an english major! And this forum is completely wrong but what the hey. -------------------- Flydd, semi retired mage currently at the long dark teatime of the retirement castle

Gerronos Armchair Warrior Posts: 27	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31355] #31359 - 08/03/07 03:42 PM
	Id love to know where it's wrong, dont just say it's wrong, offer something more correct.

Flydd
Chicken Hawk
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Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31359]
#31360 - 08/03/07 03:47 PM

To start with there is no attack speed in there. Attack rating isnt important for DPS at the moment as there is no way to know the way the tohit equation works. I have posted a theory about the equation but that is all it is.

I have already posted some DPS equations on the previous page. Here they are again:

The simple DPS equation is:

[min + max]/2*Attack Speed

A more complex DPS equation which is slightly more accurate is:

[[min + max]/2]*[1+[0.03*Bonus Crit Percent/100]]*[1/Attack Speed]

Another even more complex equation includes the elemental damage I have not worked out as I havent tested how critical hits and elemental damage work together.

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Flydd, semi retired mage currently at the long dark teatime of the retirement castle

Gerronos Armchair Warrior Posts: 27	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31360] #31361 - 08/03/07 03:49 PM
	See, that's all I needed, not sure why I put rating when I knew I meant speed...thusly I'm a writer and not a math teacher. Thanks for pointing it out so no one miscalculated their own data.

Aramynthia Chicken Hawk Posts: 132	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31360] #31392 - 08/03/07 10:25 PM
	Did this thread just get stickied or have I not noticed that before?

Flydd Chicken Hawk Posts: 194	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31392] #31403 - 08/04/07 05:28 AM
	Quote: Did this thread just get stickied or have I not noticed that before? It has been stickied ever since it became version 2. I asked Crickette to update it and she stickied it as well -------------------- Flydd, semi retired mage currently at the long dark teatime of the retirement castle

Aramynthia Chicken Hawk Posts: 132	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31403] #31418 - 08/04/07 12:35 PM
	Quote: It has been stickied ever since it became version 2. I asked Crickette to update it and she stickied it as well Ahh, nifty.

Aramynthia Chicken Hawk Posts: 132	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31418] #32034 - 08/12/07 04:52 AM
	Heyo, I had been doing some work on this stuff and I'm not really playing much any more. If anyone wants to look at my data, you can find it here: HP / Mana Formula (already known) Melee Damage Tables There are a few problems with the +damage / +% dps columns, but the rest of it should be usable. Cost to Respec Cost of Potions Good luck.

Lord_Dax New Kid Posts: 12	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 #32310 - 08/15/07 11:07 AM
	ARRR!! This here be a formula raid! I be looting your formulars for de DRChar Tracker!

TwiddleDee New Kid Posts: 4	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31360] #34144 - 09/01/07 01:21 AM
	I have a question about chance to block; is your chance to block figured only from what your shield displays as the %chance to block, or does either Agi/Str or both play into the chance to block equation at all (not your Defense, but your chance to block.)???

Noxivius
New Kid
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Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #31265]
#37423 - 10/17/07 03:19 PM

Quote:

DPS is tricky as to do an accurate calculation you need to involve the tohit chance which we dont know.

The simple DPS equation is:

[min + max]/2*Attack Speed

A more complex DPS equation which is slightly more accurate is:

[[min + max]/2]*[1+[0.03*Bonus Crit Percent/100]]*[1/Attack Speed]

This is wrong. I don't mean to be rude but let's think for a moment. Looking only at the first equation, we have (min+max)/2 So far so good. But *attack speed? seriously? Let me explain why this is wrong, since this has gone uncorrected this long.

Let's say we have an attack speed of .5, and our dmg is 10-100. (10+100)/2=55. This means our average damage per hit is 55. Now, let's multiply by our attack speed like the equation above tells us to. 55*.5=27.5. Wait... So, if I attack twice a second my DPS is LOWER than that of my average hit dmg, which happens to get applied twice a second. So, to correct an error, and I'm amazed has gone yet uncorrected. the equation is (min+max)/2/attack speed.

I do have a question however, though I worry for the accuracy of the response. I want to determine dual wield DPS, and can't seem to wrap my head around the exact order to do things in. I'm sure it's simple, but I'm missing it (much like I believe Flydd did). Now, figuring one weapons DPS is easy. even figuring both is easy, but my question is, do I average the 2 DPSs, or, do I do something different?

((min1+max1)/2/(atkspd))+((min2+max2)/2/(atkspd))/2
or maybe
(min1+min2+max1+max2)/4/(atkspd) though this just seems wrong.

Any input?

JoeB1978
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Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #37423]
#37424 - 10/17/07 03:48 PM

I have to say that the post before was not clear ... although I know there are other posts where it is written differently as you have done. I think that they forgot a set of parenthesis on that as in: (min+max)/(2*attack speed) which would be the same as (min+max)/2/attack speed.

As for dual wield I cant say there is an accurate way to calculate this. I know that dual wield is giving an additional attack speed bonus of 20% and I am pretty sure this is reflected on the character sheet.

((min1+max1)/2/(atkspd))+((min2+max2)/2/(atkspd))/2

This may be close but I would have check with numbers in game to see. I am not sure about the final division by 2. Also would need to calculate critical hits into that.

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bogey Actual Hawk Posts: 356	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #37424] #37447 - 10/18/07 02:53 AM
	I want to thank both of you for instigating a ragin headache! ....mumble to self and looks for his abicus.... loggin DR to see what i can come up with... Gary -------------------- Bogey ~ Warmanger Steele - Lvl 20-something Ranger We are all one race.... Human Come to the Darkside....we have cookies!!!! and milk:) Demonic Crypts

Ripper_McGee Veternarian Posts: 1,432	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #37447] #37454 - 10/18/07 07:32 AM
	The formula for ~estimated~ Average DPS is: ((Min + Max) / 2) / AR = Avg DPS For dual wield, I believe it's simply: (Avg DPS1 + Avg DPS2) / 2 -------------------- ~Ripper Complainers ... Unite Newb/N00b (NSFW) MMO Spelling Bee /twitch (TM)

Blenda Chicken Hawk Posts: 107	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #37454] #37457 - 10/18/07 08:15 AM
	Quote: For dual wield, I believe it's simply: (Avg DPS1 + Avg DPS2) / 2 Nope, this would mean that you would be better off just using the weapon with the best dps. As adding a second weapon (with lower dps) would lower your overall dps.

JoeB1978
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Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 [Re: #37457]
#37458 - 10/18/07 08:31 AM

The problem I see is that the avg dps of each individual weapon is higher when used in dual wield (due to the speed bonus) than it is when equipped alone. Not sure if this then makes it the average of the 2 weapons or not. By the time i played last night I forgot to test this out will try to tonight.

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Doog_05 Rabbit Puncher Posts: 50	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 vB post 80137 - 12/05/07 04:43 PM
	How do I find melee dps of my character with all items equip'd. regardless of DualWield or Single? I've read through this thread and now I am more confused then when I started. So-and-so is wrong, so-and-so is right, does anyone have a correct formula to find this? -------------------- Loog - Fighter Thnikaman - Elemental Mage LoogsWoman - Ranger

JoeB1978 Veternarian Posts: 1,515	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 vB post 80141 - 12/05/07 05:03 PM
	The reason for this is an exact answer for dual wield has not been found. So no we cant give you the formula. At least until the devs release how exactly dual wield is calculated. -------------------- JoeB - Level 100 - Back to a Fighter where he belongs SirOldBottom - Level 49 - Ice Mage Mearlin - Level 29 - Mage Dungeon Runners Map Build 0.110

Doog_05 Rabbit Puncher Posts: 50	Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2 vB post 80143 - 12/05/07 05:04 PM
	/pressure Devs Thanks Joe =) -------------------- Loog - Fighter Thnikaman - Elemental Mage LoogsWoman - Ranger

KuroBlack
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Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2
vB post 81343 - 12/11/07 05:07 PM

Quote:

For dual wield, I believe it's simply:
(Avg DPS1 + Avg DPS2) / 2

This statement is true. I did some testing to see how many swings my fighter does in 30 seconds with various weapons.
1. Equip 2 x 1H... speeds on character sheet are 0.44 and 0.47... swings in 30 seconds = 65 to 67 = average speed of 0.455 and that is the same as (0.44+0.47)/2.
2. Equip 1 x 1H... speed on character sheet is 0.53... swings in 30 seconds = 55 to 57 = average speed of 0.53.

So this statement is false:

Quote:

Nope, this would mean that you would be better off just using the weapon with the best dps. As adding a second weapon (with lower dps) would lower your overall dps.

It seems there is a speed bonus for dual wield (0.44/0.47 vs. 0.53). The dps is always lower if you remove either of the 1H'ers.
It's even worse if you put the 1H in the Offhand and nothing in the Main because the Main can still do damage without a weapon, but only something like 50 dps on my lvl20. This 50 nevertheless gets taken into account for the average dps calculation as if it were dual wield and can actually cause the dps to be halved.

I did the 30 second swing test for various 2H'ers as well and the times on the character sheets were spot on every time.

Kiger
New Kid
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Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2
vB post 81451 - 12/12/07 01:56 AM

Quote:

For dual wield, I believe it's simply:
(Avg DPS1 + Avg DPS2) / 2

No, that statement is not necessarily true. If the attack sequence is:

main hand, off hand, main hand, off hand, ...

Then the numbers could be:

damage 1, wait speed 1, damage 2, wait speed 2, damage 1, ...

This would give the same attack count you measured (2 attacks in 0.91 seconds, or about 66 attacks in 30 seconds), but would have a DPS formula of:

(damage1 + damage2)/(speed1 + speed2)

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KuroBlack
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Posts: 31

Re: How character stats are calculated Version 2
vB post 81639 - 12/12/07 12:28 PM

Quote:

(damage1 + damage2)/(speed1 + speed2)

/slap myself
Going over my calculations again I see I did compare (avg.DPS1 + avg.DPS2)/2 to (avg.damage1 + avg.damage2)/(speed1 + speed2) and got a variance of 1 DPS which I dismissed as a rounding error.
The neglegible variance was actually due to the 2 speeds differing slightly (0.44 and 0.47).
If I halve the speed on one of the weapons, the 2 formulas give very different DPS.

I agree with Kiger that dual wield average DPS = (avg.damage1 + avg.damage2)/(speed1 + speed2).

(avg.DPS1 + avg.DPS2)/2 is only correct if speed1 = speed2.

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