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My reasons

1. Easy as hell. One of the less challenging boss fights out there. Shadow resist can negate ALL of Manglefeet's attacks: Shadow Lighting, Shadow Bash, and even his normal attacks. He is quite fond of Thanksgiving, and will usually go for a bait before he targets you.

2. It looks overwhelming but if you seperate the mobs from the boss. it's not that bad. Pull the monsters from the side and run up the stairs. Manglefeet will run back at a certain point but the monsters with him will not.

3. Every monster there is either a hero or a champion. Everytime you kill one of them, they drop a significant amount of gold and loot.

4. The statues are so big to actually gang up on you and deal massive damage. Most of the time, only one or two statues would attack you and the rest would just walk around.

5. Have I mentioned how much gold you get from one run? This is only from half the run. (Right before engaging Manglefeet himself)

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And keep in mind that the gnome picks up gold while I kill stuff, so I definitely got much more gold than pictured here. Estimate at 900% loot : 1.5 mil

6. The loot is not bad for half (or should I say 1/4 of the run, because there is still Manglefeet and tons of minions + the manager) of the run :

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So there you go. Pretty decent eh?

Ok nowjust deduct how much the average person will need to spend on potions. Keep in mind thats with me hainf 40k health I spend 100k per run.

You really think spending 100k on pots is an issue when you bring back about 2.5 mil + about 30 purples? (If you run through the Manglefeet side mobs)

Holy **** in tower, that is a BEAUTIFUL list of loot. It's beautiful enough that it doesn't matter how much I have to spend on pots, once I hit that level, I am there and I will make sure I have enough wp scrolls to sell off every single purple. To the Amazon.

Please excuse me while I go drool.

Comments added above...

No dont nerf. Its a good bt of chaos once in a while but when I do go its exactly what I was looking for. DONT NERF

Ok i only make like 500k per run so i dont know where your getting the money from and its impossible to kill mangle on insane by yourself so yea i dont even get that many purples from insane on the first groups

Um I run it on insane with no problem...sometimes i die on the last boss (cause i kill the wrong guy and get bashed) but Manglefoot is easy.

Fear+ Multiple Knockbacks, Plus the little elementer shooters those lichs set+ the healer(until u kill it)+ the other stone monsters..

OVERKILL

I have to say I really enjoy the new boss and the dungeon. Great job by the DR Team! I think they got the boss run just about right. It did take a little while to get use to but I can run solo on insane with no problems now. I believe this will become a very popular group run as well. The only change I would love to see is to have the statues drop some loot since they are such a pain to take out

A minor adjustment to the loot is in order though. Have the mobs drop roughly the same total amount of gold but in fewer piles so its easier to gather up. Using the gnome takes forever and I feel sorry for anyone picking it all up without one click click click click....

"Adapt"...

Now, that is just crazy talk. I demand that ALL bosses in this game, regardless of level, are changed until the fit my specific playing style in every possible way! Right now!

We need a sarcasm smiley here.

This is my new favorite place to run. I compared solo 1150% balzack to MMM, and I pick MMM.

I might be doing something wrong, but Balz is just so frustrating. Monsters don't stand still, esp Balz, and you get knocked around so much.

Keep in mind that when I run MMM, I rarely engage Manglefeet and the President. I just kill all the mobs all the way through the ones on the 'seats'.

I can solo Manglefeet and the President on 1150%, but it just takes a long time. I can run 2-3 mob slaughters with the time it takes to kill Manglefeet alone. It's not that he's hard, but the statues are just so annoying, and they don't drop anything. If you ignore them, they will just get in your way and absorb some of your attacks, not to mention knock your arse around like you're in a dryer. If you kill them, that would just take more time. That's why I rarely try to kill Manglefeet when I'm alone.

But killing the mobs is the main thing here. The most RBs i've ever gotten are 3 in one run. The gold is insane, and you get a lot of purples. In Balz you get a lot of purples too, but as we all know, most purples we get from anywhere aren't really usable... so we just sell them. So that just gives us gold. In MMM you get the same amount on purples, much more gold, and probably the same chance of getting a RB. It just takes a little more time (maybe the same time) if you're quick.

So yeah, give it a try. (:



Edited by romanceplx (09/30/08 04:47 PM)

6 in one run on balzack two different times

Is there a way to ignore people on the forums? Possibly the devs and go into my profile so I don't have to see rippers post anymore.

Ripper's right though, adapt. There are tactics that work there, thickheadness(sp?) is a must there for me. Just going into the arena and fighting everything at once is kind of dumb unless you enjoy the chaos, and some do I am sure. I just pull the statues to the stairs and fight them 2-3 at a time without fighting Manglefoot. Sure, it takes longer but its easier I think.

No one is forced to go to any fight or boss. Bottom line, if you like it, go there...if you dont like it, dont go there. Personally, I think MMM is meant for groups, I dont like doing it above formidable solo with my fighter as it just gets too annoying.

KoC, your "catchphrase" seems to be "adapt", except when it applies to you, which is why I felt it was appropriate. When we were discussing rangers in PVP in game, your entire argument centered around rangers needing to "adapt". You completely dismiss logical arguments otherwise. In fact, you've used the "adapt" argument on the boards, too:

How does your advice not apply to this situation? As a ranger, I'm able to survive MM with a little bit of strategy. You should be able to do so, also, as a fighter.

For a PVPer, you've got a pretty thin skin. You're welcome to ignore me, but you'll probably miss on on some decent information, advice, suggestions and feedback.

I shall gladly place myself in the latter category, but I wanted to just throw my opinion in before doing that:

I tend to agree with you Talmorr, that MMM is meant for groups. After attempting to solo him on insane again, I decided it's not worth the effort. I tried a threadz, end build with lots of stun resist. That way I figured I could free up skill space where thickheaded and bsol used to be. I put in shadow resist (although I got 1,000 base with gear) and bait/BoFB/etc.

The gimped int nerfed my damage though, and 20k hp still wasn't enough to keep from getting 1-shotted by Feets. I ended up putting thickheaded back in, because 15% or so stun resist doesn't seem to do much. On top of that...

Actually, skip that, the point is, MMM makes for some exciting group runs, but for sheer efficiency, I like Balzack (I'm reluctant to use his nickname in that context). In the time it takes to run one solo 1150 MMM, I can run 3 or 4 1150 Balz and make more money in the long run.