I got my first piece of pirate gear today, a pair of boots. Now I know that they are supposed to be ranger gear. BUT they have strength stats on them, come on devs, what gives. New ranger gear is great, but not when its completely useless to play with, and is only aesthetically pleasing. The new cannons have this same issue, even at least one rb, "Big Bertha" has str stats on it.

The Ratsputins Ring doesn't make much sense either, I don't remember the full stats on it, but it was a mix of all 3 i think, very odd. The Rats hat seemed fine to me. Sissirats Sissy Spitter just plain sucks.

Please fix it.

PS, the skin for "Killer Threadz"/"The Kings Jump Suit" is showing up as wizards robes, the icons are correct, the skins are wrong.

I'm glad I'm not the only one whose noticed these weird stats on ranger gear/weapons.

Yup - I posted this in the build 146 notes. The cannons definitely have stats that aren't reasonable for rangers (I found one that was +8% fire damage, plus str is still on them). The rats gear is goofy, too.

i'm actually ok with the elemental damage, there are things they can effect some, shadow and demon sniper is a good example, divine and the judge, and fire and sticki wiki. Its the str thats the issue.

Ripper: I know you posted about the cannons, and that was very easy to see, but i wouldn't doubt that i'm the first to see the pirate gear, its possible that someone else has, but i'm under the impression that you can only get it from the well(said it somewhere in patch notes i think).

And i really hope there is an rb version of the pirate set, that would rock, the boots i got were uniques...

I've either seen or at least know of 8 or 9 of the new rbs, out of the 24?.. i guess are new. I really hope there is a new ranger set in there. Only time will tell i guess.

Sissirats Sissy Spitter
Abaddons Handy Candy Boomstick
...Icecream Launcher
Sticky Wiki Hot Glue Gun
C.H.U.M.
Big Bertha
Ratsputins...hat thingy
Ratsputins...odd ring

and a fighter weapon i saw, didn't get to see a name or stats, the guy that had it was ignoring me(not with st iggy mind you) and didn't link it to me. It looks like a green Tormentor with green particle effects, i'm thinking its a Sissirat piece. Which leads me to believe that each boss gets at least 2 pieces, so 11 bosses...thats 22...ok hmm, this doesn't work out then does it...idk, only 3 that i've see the names for aren't boss specific, cause the icecream launcher is algors. But i could be wrong about the green "tormentor" since i didn't actually see the name.

The Pirate Gear is for fighters - str/agi gear with an accompanying shield and bonuses to either piercing (picks) or slashing (blades) items. The stats seem appropriate.

The Ninja Gear is for mages and the stats seem appropriate for it, too.

STR also increases defense. Rangers have been complaiing lately about dying easy. STr=Defense=weaker hits= live longer= Be careful what you wish for eh?

This has nothing to do with what rangers "wish" for. The new items stats are mistakes. Regardless, the amount of defense earned by adding STR to a ranger item is negligible. Based on my in-game conversations with some of the team:

• Pirate Gear is for fighters, not rangers
• The STR stats on the Cannons is a mistake - the wrong attributes (Brontosaurus and Whale) were added to them and are being removed
• The STR stats on RBs like Big Bertha and the Rat's Ring are mistakes and are being fixed

Edited by Ripper_McGee (09/22/08 05:29 PM)

To KoC- Defense doesn't effect how much damage is taken per hit, it affects how often a hit connects, in relation to the attacker's attack rating.

Defense gained from str attribute is not enough to make it worth a ranger sacrificing points to it.

To Ripper- The defense on the boots was much to low for them to be for fighters, and they had +% to movement, not a -% to movement. They are clearly meant for rangers, with the exception to the str stats, which i'm sure is a mistake, just as with the cannons. Fighters got the Emerald set for new armors. I haven't seen the ninja set yet so i can't really make any comments on that. But i would assume that they are mage armors anyway.

Bonuses to Piercing(bows) and slashing(shot guns) works for rangers as well, and now with cannons rangers get crushing damage as well.

Each point in STR adds 25 Defense Rating. Which is negligible unless in huge amounts, which no smart Ranger or Mage should ever do.

I might agree with you, Cy, in that the pirate gear was meant for rangers, but mistakenly had str instead of end (for example), except that there's a pirate shield, which obviously wouldn't benefit a ranger. Instead, I'm envisioning the pirate gear as "fast rogue" fighter gear, as opposed to "slow tank" fighter gear. Yes, the defense is low - it's comparable to ranger leather armor, but it also has STR and a Fighter will typically have put attribute points into STR, too, the combination of which would theoretically make this armor very nice to have, especially since it's augmented by either AGI or END. A few players, myself included, have tried creating agi/leather "rogues" before, but we were hampered by the gear. This pirate armor makes the rogue build a real possibility. Here's a pic with the stats of the pirate gear I've kept:

linky...

Now, looking a the stats for those items, imagine if I were able to collect a set with bonuses towards a single type of damage (slashing, for example). I could potentially create havoc with such a set. Then again, what looks good on paper doesn't always translate to game, so we'll have to see when somebody actually compiles a matching full set.



Edited by Ripper_McGee (09/23/08 12:59 AM)

Oh well dang I feel stupid xD. So wait Cys, your saying if I put more in defense would that also increase my shield's blocking ability (passivly of course)?

Oh and Cys Slashing bonus? Thats like every fighter sword out there! Piercing? Skulli, Skeetor, Chucker, Skull Opener I cant name them all but their are plenty.



Edited by KingofCarnage (09/23/08 08:20 AM)

Folding Chair of the Manglefoot, the new boss's exclusive rainbow. Looks just like a chair, I got one.

Note: It appears boss exclusive rainbows also drop from the well, so maybe we can get a level 100 sissirat item.. thing.

All the boss-specific rainbows drop from the well, by design.

Dude!! I saw an RB ive NEVER seen before on LIVE.

ObscureFighter had it apparently it was called "Mad Bling" what other rbs are there Ive never seen before I wonder?

No - blocking is different than defense. Blocking means you blocked what would have otherwise been a successful attack. The percent of blocks never goes up beyond what your shield gives you.

Defense essentially works like this:

When an opponent attacks you, their AR is checked against your DEF and a chance to hit is calculated. The higher your defense is, compared to an opponent's AR, the lower the chance you have to be hit. Basically, opponents will have a harder time hitting you if you have a nice, high DEF. That being said, if an opponent "rolls" a successful "to hit" (think D&D THAC0), you still take full damage, which is based on the opponents range of possible damage.

Likewise, your AR is checked against an opponents DEF. If you have high AR and your opponent has low DEF, then you'll hit your opponent a lot more. If you have low AR and the opponent has high DEF, you'll miss a lot more...

Along these lines, resists don't mean you take less damage, per spell. Here's a great thread on resists:

Linky...

Everything will be fixed in this next build except for the "PS" issues on the mage armor. I fixed it, but after the build was cooked, so if another build has to be made, it will show up. It looks like that issue was only on the female avatar and not the male. Either way, it's a real bummer and I feel bad that this bug slipped by.

No more ST bonus on ranger gear! Agreed that was pretty lame. The pirate gear is more fighter oriented. Rangers will have their cool looking unique gear in an upcoming build.



Edited by MarkT (09/23/08 05:41 PM)

I'm not sure when that particular rainbow became available, but it's always cool to discover things that you didn't know about before. Thetownstons.com has a pretty good catalog of mythic gear laid out. You should check out, who knows, there might be others just waiting for you to discover. Here's the link:
http://www.thetownstons.com/thetowns...:Rainbow_items

Stephen when you said its scheduled for "Live" tomorrow did you mean servers 1-7 or the PTS server?

Live = Live game servers.

I think he meant both.

Naw it should be on the PTS sometime tonight. it is just taking forever it would seam to me the greedy gus.

Thats an oldie, and i'm relatively sure it doesn't drop anymore.

And I wasn't arguing that fighters don't have slashing or piercing damage, i'm well aware of that. My argument was that rangers have the same types of damage as fighters, thats all.

But a dev has spoken on the pirate gear, and once again rangers get screwed out of getting anything truly good out of a patch. Makes me sick, so you probably wont see me around much anymore.

Ranger got cannons, which are pretty darn fun (my son and I rolled alts on the PTS a few nights ago and he LOVED them!). Some of them are excellent! The new stats for Big Bertha and C.H.U.M (linky) are nice,too, especially considering that Buffalo Bills and Lethal Paws now have +ranged, not +piercing.

Granted, I do think there are some issues in this build for rangers (MarkT is revisiting Monty's Revenge, since many of us gave less than positive feedback and the new PVP maps make it harder for rangers to get "range"), but I don't think we got "screwed".

yeah, boo hoo, go cry a river. While others got new armor, rangers got new weapons. And most of the update benefits, ya know, everybody.

Lies and the lying liars who tell them!!! Everybody knows that the new graphics engine, quests, epic boss fight, chests, quest interface, posses, etc... obviously benefit ONLY Fighters and Mages! Every time somebody states otherwise, Pope Sweet Geebus gets a hemorrhoid...

o-O poor little guy