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Navronan Armchair Warrior Posts: 26 |
Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2
#58263 - 05/14/08 07:13 AM |
I have re-speced and changed all my skills pretty much and I would like you to re-evaluate my character. My equipment is still shocking because I haven't had the time (or equipment for that matter) To really do that properly so lets try again with the New skills and re-spec to get slightly better results than last time... I am now trying to be a full on fighter... (no hybridising involved.) Thanks again for your feedback. Navronan Character Page #1 Character Page #2 -------------------- Navronan - 5 PvP wins - Willing to pair up and fight with/against any time |
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Necrophilius Veternarian Posts: 1,313 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2
#58267 - 05/14/08 08:03 AM |
I still think you need more Agility. Using Mad Melee Mastery and Way of the Roo obviously helped, but more is required I think. I would also go with less INT, since you're no longer hybridising. I see most of the INT you have is from your equipment, so maybe wear less INT equipment and more STR/END/AGI equipment. Overall this is better than your previous build, although personally I don't see much use for Chill Bill when you are playing Fighter: main reason you would use Bill in PvE is as a Tank, which a Fighter should not need (since the Fighter IS the tank). But that is your style, nothing's wrong with using Bill. And, is it necessary to make a new topic about this when the original one would have sufficed? Edited by Necrophilius (05/14/08 08:04 AM) |
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mess_ion_ic Old Timer Posts: 508 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #58267]
#58289 - 05/14/08 01:25 PM |
Quote: Agreed. You generally want 100 atk rating per lvl (as I stated in that other thread). At your lvl, you really need at least 4k atk rtg. And I know you addressed the gear issue, but seriouosly! You can't expect a decent analysis when you're wearing gear that's 30 lvls below you! |
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AlienEighter Dungeon Walker |
vB post - 05/14/08 01:25 PM |
Quote:Agreed. You generally want 100 atk rating per lvl (as I stated in that other thread). At your lvl, you really need at least 4k atk rtg. And I know you addressed the gear issue, but seriouosly! You can't expect a decent analysis when you're wearing gear that's 30 lvls below you! |
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No_one Veteran Posts: 715 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #58289]
#58342 - 05/14/08 09:37 PM |
I agree with mess, You do need more attk rating. You are currently getting beat by Crackersd. Try re-spec and c how a different build can help. -------------------- No one wrote the above. http://threeplanetssoftware.com/software/dr/profile.php?character=crackersd http://threeplanetssoftware.com/software/dr/profile.php?character=crackerst |
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MagicNinja Actual Hawk Posts: 227 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2
#58354 - 05/15/08 02:07 AM |
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Grrumble New Kid Posts: 6 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #58354]
#58517 - 05/16/08 09:31 AM |
I thought my character Grruma was in need of some help. Based on the advice given here and the related thread, it looks like I've done alright for myself.  |
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Darkwanderer Actual Hawk Posts: 342 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #58517]
#58519 - 05/16/08 09:41 AM |
Looks like a pretty good build to me Gear looks good and stats look good. Personaly I would lose some End for some STR but thats just the way I like to play killem before they kill me. As Far as skills go. If it works well for you go for it Soul rend is a great main button attack if you have any mana steal gear didnt look hard enough to check doesnt do a whole lot fo damage but!!!!! and this is a big BUT it is some that you dont have to think about with mana steal on. |
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mess_ion_ic Old Timer Posts: 508 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #58517]
#58548 - 05/16/08 12:07 PM |
You could take pts. out of agl with that build. 4.5k atk rtg would be plenty. From my understanding, there is a base miss rate regardless of how high your rtg is, so there's no need to put too much into agl. The build looks pretty good, though- but you might want to find another weapon to match one of your current weapon's atk speeds- freakin' fast (I think) or slothful. |
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AlienEighter Dungeon Walker |
vB post - 05/16/08 12:07 PM |
You could take pts. out of agl with that build. 4.5k atk rtg would be plenty. From my understanding, there is a base miss rate regardless of how high your rtg is, so there's no need to put too much into agl. The build looks pretty good, though- but you might want to find another weapon to match one of your current weapon's atk speeds- freakin' fast (I think) or slothful. |
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Navronan Armchair Warrior Posts: 26 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #58548]
#58658 - 05/17/08 05:35 AM |
Thanks for all your advice everyone... On this thread and the other one. -------------------- Navronan - 5 PvP wins - Willing to pair up and fight with/against any time |
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MagicNinja Actual Hawk Posts: 227 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #58548]
#58660 - 05/17/08 05:57 AM |
Quote: Yep max hit rate is 95% regardless, but(not that you should try to accomplish this at lower levels or really at all lol) i think that if your attack rating is double or more(could be a lot higher) you have an even higher chance for a critical hit, if you've ever gone back to a boss you've out leveled you should get critical hits alot more. At 56 and 58 with rotgut, i get over 50% critical hits. BUT that could be something else, i'm not sure :P...long time ago I was told that higher hit rate has increased chance for crits. But just fyi, you need to have attack rate = to defense rate of what you are attacking, for you to hit 100% of the max you can hit. So with 1000 attack rating against 1000 defense rating, you should get that full 95% from above. |
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Navronan New Kid Posts: 22 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #58660]
#59523 - 05/26/08 04:47 AM |
Do I myself need Agility? Someone in game told me to be and awesome fighter i needed Agility can you help me out. -------------------- Navronan - 5 PvP wins - Willing to pair up and fight with/against any time |
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Necrophilius Veternarian Posts: 1,310 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59523]
#59526 - 05/26/08 05:23 AM |
Yes, we've told you over and over that you need Agility or you won't hit anything. I don't know exactly how much you need, I'm sure some Fighter can tell you. Really though, I don't think the 51 AGI you have now is quite enough. |
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LordMagnus Old Timer Posts: 507 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59523]
#59538 - 05/26/08 08:53 AM |
If you use 1-handers, some 150 x Your Level is just about enough. In Attack Rating that is. -------------------- May The Rainbows Drop As Cows From The Sky HDoL.eu - Horrific Domain of Legend - A Dungeon Runners Fansite |
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mess_ion_ic Old Timer Posts: 493 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59523]
#59543 - 05/26/08 09:40 AM |
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AlienEighter Dungeon Walker |
vB post - 05/26/08 09:40 AM |
Quote:/shakes head ...and still wearing that super-duper lvl 11 amulet. |
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Sveun Rabbit Puncher Posts: 50 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59543]
#59549 - 05/26/08 11:07 AM |
i got a lvl 19 fighter, LordSveun, when i lvl i usally put my points like this 3 str 1 agi and 1 end or like 2str 2 agi and 1 end. Maybe u can use my build, i also u 2 1 handers, perhaps i got a bit too much agi but it works for me, so i hope i helped u with it  Any comments on my build are welcome btw, if u dont care i asked it here http://threeplanetssoftware.com/software/dr/profile.php?character=LordSveun edit: If i fill in Lordmagnus his theory i got too less agi, but i hardly miss my target Edited by Sveun (05/26/08 11:10 AM) |
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LordMagnus Old Timer Posts: 507 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59549]
#59556 - 05/26/08 11:54 AM |
Sveun, I think I would have higher End and Agi if I started a new fighter again. I found that having End and Agi about 75% of my Str worked out really well. But since with every new ring or amulett or piece of armor or weapon, the stats change: There can never be a "perfect" build. As long as Agi and End is 50-75% of your Str, you'll do fine. -------------------- May The Rainbows Drop As Cows From The Sky HDoL.eu - Horrific Domain of Legend - A Dungeon Runners Fansite |
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Sveun Rabbit Puncher Posts: 50 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59556]
#59572 - 05/26/08 02:52 PM |
higher agi isnt that nessecary when using 2 1handers i think since i hardly miss, but higher end would be handy if i farm alot but im only xping on normal diff so i can handle it with less hp  On my way to 100 |
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LordMagnus Old Timer Posts: 507 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59572]
#59591 - 05/27/08 01:07 AM |
Yeah, I've still to figure out the best Attack Rating for using 1-handers (as level 100). Since they're so fast, a few misses isn't that much to worry about, allthough hitting more will kill so much faster. I've found that at least 8-10k rating is best, but I don't know wich is more effective: Closer to 10 or closer to 8. Then again, I might be all wrong.  -------------------- May The Rainbows Drop As Cows From The Sky HDoL.eu - Horrific Domain of Legend - A Dungeon Runners Fansite |
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Cysira Armchair Warrior Posts: 33 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59591]
#59602 - 05/27/08 02:40 AM |
Quote: Pretty much as a rule for fighters...100 attack rating per level, give or take a few here and there is fine, but in most situations where you are on the same level as what you are fighting, 100 attack rating per level, sometimes you may need a bit more, and others a but less. Just remember(not that you can tell on mobs) but it takes attack rating of 1000 to hit defense rating of 1000 100% of the time(but 95% is the real max, at lvl 100 you'll still miss sissi every once in a while because of this). |
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LordMagnus Old Timer Posts: 507 |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59602]
#59604 - 05/27/08 04:12 AM |
Closer to 10k then as I thought. Seems that counting hits isn't such a bad procedure then. -------------------- May The Rainbows Drop As Cows From The Sky HDoL.eu - Horrific Domain of Legend - A Dungeon Runners Fansite |
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Sveun Chicken Hawk |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59604]
#59606 - 05/27/08 04:19 AM |
Counting hits? lol that must be hard if you use 2 ludicrious 1handers :D |
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LordMagnus Dungeon Walker |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59606]
#59607 - 05/27/08 04:59 AM |
Quote:Hehe, somewhat. I recordet the hits and played them in slow motion. Then I compared the hits with how long it took to kill Abby, i.e kill-time and damage. I weren't quite done but it seemed better if I were closer, or just over, 10k in Attack Rating with 1-handers. |
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Bogey Veteran |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59607]
#59613 - 05/27/08 08:42 AM |
2 cents coming.... I've noticed very little difference in amount of misses with anywhere from 8k to 16k att rating at lvl 100 on both 1 and 2 hand weapons. Maybe it's just me. If you check Bogey right now I think I'm setting about 10k with a Gavel on. Earlier I had a Skullie and a Hangnail equipped with roughly the same rating. Gary |
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LordMagnus Dungeon Walker |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59613]
#59626 - 05/27/08 04:11 PM |
Quote:Seems you're correct. I made Abby-runs a while ago with trying out different Attack Ratings and I had as low as 8k and I still beat Abby before his fire-rain. I wonder how low I can go with 1-handers. Have to try that too. :D |
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Bogey Veteran |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59626]
#59684 - 05/28/08 08:19 AM |
I can tell you 5k is to low:) alreasy tried it and didn't hit enough even with almost 1200 str to kill him:) Gary |
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LordMagnus Dungeon Walker |
Re: Lets all pay out my Character... Take 2 [Re: #59684]
#59685 - 05/28/08 08:34 AM |
8-10k seems perfect for 2 1-handers. Below 8 I started to miss to much, and above 10 I didn't have as much power in the hits due to putting STR-stats in AGI instead. |
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