Alright, how about this. From this post on, everyone stop posting on this now defunct thread. If you have any more insults to throw at each other do in using Private Messaging, don't spew it on the forums for us all to smell.

Player Nemezis is too strong pvper

man , didnt make it in any lists ill have to start playin again

no twinks should make any list but the hall of shame. Anyone not over lvl 25 is considered mostly a twink. There is a reason why that is cause they the easiest to make and play. You dont see a lvl 15 fighter twink.

For me you twinks are easy to kill, hence the pvp winner in the only tournament, so basically what I am saying NO twinks should ever be in a all time top 10 list. Maybe top 10 all time from lvl 1-20 but thats it.

What really makes me laugh is you all think you are good for playing the easiest class and easiest lvl. "Cough" balance issue anyone.

That is all i have to say about twinks..

Clamm has spoke

Dont get me wrong making a twink with all the right lvl 15 gear is not easy but ALOT ALOT easier then finding the right t3 gear for 100s. I remember it taking over 2 months to find 1 t3 iring plus at lvl 100 you are farming for one person.

I havent pvped in about 3 months but once the box comes out I will buy it use my outdated gear and still stomp on the twinks.

They fixed the weapon change exploit for low lvls and for those that dont know what I am talking well do a search.

On a side note Jay i have been trying to get ahold of you to see what server you are on in AoC.

there is nothing to cut out.. lvl 100a like ghostie shouldnt play a twink..., ala lovhurts...


if playhing a twink makes you feel good by all means ply one but regardless of rank or lvl you chit in my book and will always be. Ghoostie playing lovhurts will never be grouped with me as i dont take twinks

I don't know you clamm, nor have i ever fought you with any of the toons i've used in pvp, which is up to 6 now lol. So i can't say anything about your skill or being able to beat you. and you can't say the same for me.

In responce to your looking for the iRing and what not, Its very difficult to find properly leveled jewelry for any level. In the 100s and 100s of low level rbs i've found, i've only had 1 iRing, 1 circus ring, and 1 the lost one drop, i was lucky enough to get lvl 14 iRing and Circus ring(which i just got the other day, yaay) the lost one is lvl 20. And i don't have much in the way of jewelry for my 15 twink at all, most of the time i've got a unique or 2 on.

And of coarse its harder to get the t3 gear, but thats not normal gear and goes beyond the norm, which is how lvl 100s get one of their bigger advantages, and why Wreker is at 101% power.

Getting full lvl 100 gear is just about as easy as getting a low level twink since lvl 90+ toons are 3 times more likely to get an rb drop.

Now if you want to talk about hard, try gearing any toon lvl 60-80/85ish, thats a real dry spell for gear, and they're aren't alot of people running around in those level ranges. so its really hard to get the gear for it. I've been working on sets in that range since i first got it in my head to start pvping in the first place... that was over 4 months ago. Closest i have is my set in the 60s and its still only about 60% of what i would like. My set it the 70s is around 40% and same for 80s. I've got more gear for a lvl 100 toon than any other, not all lvl 100 mind you, but 80% 98+, and with skill is enough to be tops.

Talking skill, and i'm not really trying to brag or anything really just giving an example. I can beat 95% powerish players(some higher, some lower, it all depends) with my 80% power, toy ranger, no rbs, lvl 15, and not all my gear is on the level. It takes skill to beats someone that out gears you.

To show i'm not being totally cocky, with the toy i can't beat a decent conniption fighter or lvl 100, or any GOOD mage, I specify good mage, because they're aren't very many truely good mages. But mages are pretty tough to play properly, and any below level 90 requires some very good judgment on gear selection.

Conniption is broken, my toy ranger with 60k+ health shouldn't be able to be taken down in 3 or 4 seconds, ever. I've said it before, I really don't see how the skill could be balanced in pvp and still be effective and useful in pve, it should be done away with for pvp entirely to avoid the headaches it could inevitably cause for everyone while trying to balance it.

Every time they throw in a new skill, it creates imbalances in pvp that aren't properly addressed in a timely manor. I understand that pve comes first, but if there's such a big problem they should bandaid it and block it in pvp until it can be fixed. Instead its there and people are exploiting it to the woe of our growing population, and its turning people off of pvp and the game it self.

Ok got a little off subject there, sorry guys, but it all stems from the same root. :P

Oh and Clamm, once I do have a lvl 100 pvp toon, the twink will probably get shelved 95% of the time, i'll only get her out for fun or to prove a point.

I completely agree that 60-85ish is very very hard to farm gear for. Can do shadow queen, hdol lvl 3, abby and maybe raspy but raspy is really only good for exp and money. Like you said there isnt alot of people around those lvls to group with so trading or farming for rbws is that much harder.

Queeny sucks for loot , the risk to reward is very high and she doesn't get farmed very often, I've no real experience with ratty, i've gone in there with one of my mains at around 54ish(not there anymore) and i was able to take on the mobs, but i really couldn't see farming ratty at that level.

The easiest way to get gear for that level other than loads of time hunting sally, is if you have some level 100 friends with lots of free time and are willing to help you farm, while they don't get much out of it. And unless you have a full group with em, the rb drop rate isn't very high, doing balzack, we did a few runs with nothing(and the 100 was getting really frustrated that he wasn't getting rb drops at all since build 110) we moved on to abby, and I only got one crappy rb, this was over the coarse of a couple hours i think and around 50 runs on insane. It sucked.

Heh, hit me up Clamm and me and Lov can squash you.

first of all im not leaving a list cause u really cant have a top ten maybe by class but back to my point BMX u dont make the top ten period my reason is u quit matches to save ur rating u are too new to pvp to even know the good players u dont have multple builds and u talk too much smack to ppl in pvp so u have few friends solo u may be decent however u are most likely a pwrlvled 100 (which may be half the reason u have few friends and talk so much smack) u fail to understand the comradery that u get from grinding to a lvl 100 or farming a pure (twink) u must be able to grp well as well as solo to be a all around good pvp player and if im avg. ur sub -par just because u have beaten me b4 dont act like i havent done the same to you the rating system is a joke anyway and im sure yours will dwindle to nothing as u continue to dodge matches with ppl that are superior to u. when have been through 5-6 pvp patches and continue to win consistantly then leave a post of who u think is in the top ten...srry to all the ppl bmx talked smack about ill apologize for him since he was asking wreck, nolan and half the other pvp'ers out there to be his friend yesterday when u couldnt get a grp due to ur mouth.....

When ur out for a snack carefull u dont get a big AKK attack!!!