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HolyThunder New Kid Posts: 21 |
Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez)
#53655 - 04/07/08 07:29 PM |
hey guys just for u thats wondering if it rulez or not. Lots of ppl mainly use shadow or fire bolt.But WHY? That's because the fire bolt is the first bolt and they see lots of "high numbers" on the max damage(forgetin about the min damage)at first, so they think that fire bolt gives much more damage than the others. Then some of those mages see they are hiting lots of "around min" damage with it so they change to shadow as they see that the probability of hving a good strike is better as shadow hv uber min damage( tough it hv a crappy max) and is divided into 3 bolts, so more min. BUT I ASK YOU GUYS, WUT ABOUT THE ICY BOLTS??? Most ppl dont realize how good they are. I'm gona start with ice bolt. Ice bolt is a "fire bolt number2" cuz they hv less "X" of max damage and more "X/2" of min damage, so that kinda dont compensate the loss of damage. BUT if u see the UBER GODLY ICY SHARDS, they are an IMPROVED FIRE BOLT.Why? Because if u count the 3 shards they hv a better MAX and MIN damage than fire bolt. As they are divided into 3 they hv less numbers between max and min so the probability that theres gona be a good strike is better. Sice it's not hard to strike the same foe with the 3 bolts AND use it like AoE that's good. But then ur gona ask why is ice shards better than shad bolt? Simply becuz if u see the total damage of Shards is better than the shadow(min+max) and in general u keep hiting good enought to use this improved fire bolt AND hv a good Range(AND there r more shad resist foes than ice resist foes). The only drawback that i can see btwn fire bolt and ice shards is the MORE THAN DOUBLE MANA COST and compared to shadow is only SLITHlY MORE ONLY, altough theres no Sissi staff for ICY MAGES. Anyone who disagree with me plz post ur opinion and PLZ POST why... Ty guys(as i see lots of post arguing wuts the best bolt thats gona help).  |
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pharque Armchair Warrior Posts: 47 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez)
#53659 - 04/07/08 07:59 PM |
can you redo the post in proper english ? ;p -------------------- "!UoY sKeEs SsEnDaM,SsEnDaM kEeS tOn Od UoY" (Lithiniath,the black mischievous Unicorn) |
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JesusFreak Jesus is my waypoint Posts: 1,276 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53659]
#53661 - 04/07/08 08:12 PM |
Quote: yes please |
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HolyThunder New Kid Posts: 21 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53659]
#53662 - 04/07/08 08:15 PM |
Oh man, that's a really long post.... please could you try to understand it?? Sorry about that  |
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JesusFreak Jesus is my waypoint Posts: 1,276 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53662]
#53690 - 04/07/08 10:19 PM |
try lol your funny |
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Mama_Anarchia Actual Hawk Posts: 358 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez)
#53694 - 04/07/08 10:38 PM |
I think I actually get the gist of this. Use Ice Shards instead of shadow or fire bolt. Which, depending on your situation is true. If you are facing down the firey Mr. Abbadon, bringing the smack down with ice shards is a very good idea. Everybody likes to beat on Abbadon right? You could also use ice shards when facing the poisonous Mr. Balzack. Overall, ice shards are a tougher choice for leveling and everyday running. Until recently the choice of gear that boosted ice was very rare. It was quite a lot easier to find gear with bonus to shadow, so most folks use shadow bolt and shadow lightning. But really the mages (not a real class, but a player who uses only spells for damage ) need to be adaptable for different situations. You should use a certain set of skills/gear when grouped for a particular boss or even HDoL. But you may not want to use those if you are solo running to gain xp. -------------------- ------------------------------------------------- MamaAnarchia Level 100 Genius Arch Arcane Mage Parkaboy Level 75 Acrobatic Charming Frozen Summoner CayceP Level 28 Muscular Hardened Fanatical Fighter |
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Snarky Chicken Hawk Posts: 107 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez)
#53696 - 04/07/08 10:44 PM |
Lemme see if I can clear this up for ya. Quote: Hello to all those who might question the validity of the ice mage's power. Quote: Wherefore do many people use shadow or fire builds? Mayhaps because they get Fire Bolt as their first bolt, and see nice big numbers right off the bat. Of course, they neglect to look at the minimum damage. Quote: After realizing they're doing close to minimum damage, some players switch their builds over to the illustrious shadow mage, with their decent minimum damage and three times the boltage! Quote: My dear fellows, have you forgotten about the ice bolts? Quote: Starting with the ice bolt, which can be thought of as "fire bolt number 2". If the max damage on a fire bolt is X, then the max damage on an ice bolt (Y) is less than X, and the minimum damage is greater than X/2. As follows: Code:
Apparently this doesn't compensate for the loss of damage. Quote: However, if one utilizes the wonderful Icy Shards skill, it is more like an improved fire bolt. Wherefore, you inquire? Because adding all three shards up has a better maximum and minimum damage than fire bolt. With the fact that there's three bolts, the max and min numbers are less, so the probability of a good strike is higher. This is good because one can hit the same foe with all three strikes and still ahve time to pop an AoE! Quote: So why might ice shards be better than shadow bolt? Well simple! If you add the total damage up, you'll see its better than the shadow bolt minimum and maximum, and if yo have a high enough hit percentage to justify it. Oh, and they have a good range. Plus there's more shadow resist foes then ice resist foes. Quote: The only possible drawback to this is the high mana cost. Ice shards is more than double fire bolt, but just barely more than shadow bolt. Another major drawback is the lack of Sissirat's Brother's Cousin's Roommate's Staff of Something Really Awesome staff for Ice Magi. Quote: Care to debate this point? I'd love to hear it, please let me know aht you have to say here! Don't forget to include why you feel that way! Thanks a bunch guys, you're the best! I see lots of posts out there about which bolt is the best bolt and I suspect there's some good discussion to be had! |
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Teclis Purveyor of Random Thoughts Posts: 1,319 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53696]
#53698 - 04/07/08 10:48 PM |
Snarky, you are a true friend and a diplomat - no matter what anyone says about you, lol. That took a lot of time to prevent a fellow from getting flamed in short business. I recommend you for the ForumRunners "Medal of unnecessarily honorable mention that was slightly sarcastic but funny nonetheless and helpful at the same time on many levels."  As to Ice magic in general, I say HUZZAH!!! |
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Vathxen New Kid Posts: 12 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53698]
#53705 - 04/07/08 11:09 PM |
My mage is mainly shadow for the simple fact that shadow gear is the easiest to get your hands on atm. However I switch bolts constantly for whatever I need for the situation. I use fire for range. Ice to slow enemies down if the won't stop running in circles. Mostly I try to watch for RESIST RESIST RESIST flying up in the air, and switch to whatever doesn't get resisted. So sadly, no bolt is the best, because I have not seen one that works on all enemies yet. As far as damage goes, the best bolt will be whatever you are specced for. Mana cost also doesn't matter much to me. If you're a bsol'er, which you should be as of the last heave, you have tons of mana anyway as you don't need much hp. I also carry 100 mana pots at all times. So I try to stay full no matter what I'm casting. After walking away from the pc, I realized why Ice has never really caught on for me as a mage. We have no AOE spell for ice. Call them lazy spells, or whatever you want. I tend to want to kill by the masses. So I run into a big mob and use mainly AOE spells(mage and ranger). No I do not consider Ice Shards an AOE spell, not for my purposes anyway. As it only hits multiple enemies as long as they're not on top of your head. Edited by Vathxen (04/08/08 12:02 AM) |
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mess_ion_ic Actual Hawk Posts: 358 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53696]
#53709 - 04/08/08 12:42 AM |
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Necrophilius Veteran Posts: 1,101 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez)
#53719 - 04/08/08 01:25 AM |
Pros Fire Bolt Long Range Fast Bolt Movement Speed Lowest Mana Cost Ice Shards Highest Average Damage Cone Shaped Attack (At least one Bolt should hit with every shot) Shadow Bolt High Average Damage Consistent Damage Homing Ability (All three bolts are generally guaranteed to hit something) Sissirat's Brother's Cousin's Roommate's Staff is T3H AW3S0M3N3SS (Seriously, not many other Rainbows can compare) Cons Fire Bolt Lowest Average Damage Inconsistent Damage Ice Shards Slow Bolt Movement Speed Highest Mana Cost Cone Shaped Attack (Often cannot hit with all three at a range) Shadow Bolt Short Range Slow Bolt Movement Speed High Mana Cost Homing Ability (Swerves away from intended target often) |
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HolyThunder New Kid Posts: 21 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53696]
#53760 - 04/08/08 05:47 PM |
First thing to say: Thank you Snarky your my heroe!!! and now, what you guys mean about slow moving bolt speed about ice shards??? And i use mainly ice shards or ocasionaly fire bolt when i get resisted(because theres nothing resisting fire AND ice at the same time, and i HATE shadow, just use SL) the other drawback of using ice shards is that you CANT use Chill Bill or he will be a block of ice stopping your damage. But i can deal with that as im a tanking mage(LOL YA). Oh, and i cant use shadow bolt, i just keep MISSING the targets as the bolt keep doin a curve and disappear. Let's bomb this thread guys,counting on you! |
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Teclis Purveyor of Random Thoughts Posts: 1,310 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53705]
#53765 - 04/08/08 06:47 PM |
Quote: Yes, I agree. I've been an advocate of an AoE ice spell for a long time and have suggested it a couple of times with others posts and once in my own topic way back. I'm hoping that one of the new spells that are going to be in this heave is the answer to the Ice AoE "need" imo. I'm also waiting for the skill somehow involving "barf", so if I don't get my ice AoE then at least I will probably be pleasantly amused. I'm hoping the "barf" spell is like a poison spout attack from the casters mouth, but short ranged with crazy damage and the chance to cause fear, lol  |
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frankdreben1 New Kid Posts: 22 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53765]
#53779 - 04/08/08 07:52 PM |
Like Mama pointed out Ice is really only available now. Before there was no ice rbws and before there was no BSoL to help mages. I still think for lvling and exping shadow is the fastest way to go. Lightning bolt and aoes is basically all you need to lvl. But then it is also up to the user and what they like. You cant out look the dark rings, unholly grenade, and most important the Sissi staff. Add in a few of the newer rbws and shadow is even more powerful but in all honesty with the new gear any build will work to lvl with aoes. |
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Teclis Purveyor of Random Thoughts Posts: 1,310 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53779]
#53781 - 04/08/08 07:55 PM |
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Mama_Anarchia Actual Hawk Posts: 350 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53781]
#53799 - 04/08/08 09:58 PM |
I'll tell ya what I miss...when ice bolt had a very strong slow effect and it stacked with Unnerving Shout, near perma mez plus damage. A wee bit too strong so yeah that one got taken away. I would love an ice AoE most definitely. We've already got the code for Ring of Fire. Copy the skill and make it a Ring of Ice. It could have a small slow and ice DoT. All you need to do is change the graphics to look like snowballs instead of fireballs. Et Voila! -------------------- ------------------------------------------------- MamaAnarchia Level 100 Genius Arch Arcane Mage Parkaboy Level 75 Acrobatic Charming Frozen Summoner CayceP Level 28 Muscular Hardened Fanatical Fighter |
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NunjaBusiness Old Timer Posts: 508 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53799]
#54229 - 04/12/08 12:23 AM |
Yes, an "Abominable Avalanche" would be very cool.  -------------------- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke |
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Necrophilius Veteran Posts: 1,101 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #53799]
#54231 - 04/12/08 12:57 AM |
I miss when Mages could use Holy Roller without missing 99% of the time. And Ice Bolt's slow stacking with Holy Roller's. |
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No_one Old Timer Posts: 463 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #54231]
#54354 - 04/12/08 09:24 PM |
Quote: Can't you also use that warrior curse to make enemies slower, the hollar thingy? -------------------- No one wrote the above. http://threeplanetssoftware.com/software/dr/profile.php?character=crackersd |
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Necrophilius Veteran Posts: 1,101 |
Re: Why ice mage Rulez?( u know they rulez) [Re: #54354]
#54384 - 04/13/08 01:37 AM |
You could, but Holy Roller is spammable, does a hefty amount of damage, almost always hits since it targets your enemy and rushes them (Unnerving Shout can be avoided by running out of range), and it stuns as well, so you have time to Bolt if you haven't already, or run off and blast them to Oblivion. |
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