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so basically what you are doing is going to let fighters/rangers load up on mana steal items and completely screw over the end mages.. great job there.. plus you are going to completely make fighters stronger..

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have you ever PVPed against ASWunreal (spell sorry ASW) or ahno (lvl 24 fighter) or even wreker?? they all extremely tough to beat even for a end mage at any lvl.

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so basically i spent the past month farming end gear for my mages for a complete waste

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Most of the changes discussed apply to the PvE and PvP game.

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Most of the changes discussed apply to the PvE and PvP game.

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I was told when I signed up that this was a hack and slash dungeon crawling game not a PvP game. Your changes are based on PvP not the dungeon crawling experience. Anyways that was enough, PvP just cost you my account.

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I was told when I signed up that this was a hack and slash dungeon crawling game not a PvP game. Your changes are based on PvP not the dungeon crawling experience. Anyways that was enough, PvP just cost you my account.

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Each change that we made helps make the PvE game more interesting as well. If the changes were only for PvP, then they wouldn't apply to PvE!

So, pray tell, why is this so annoying to you WhyPay? Which change, in particular, is so distasteful to you?

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so basically what you are doing is going to let fighters/rangers load up on mana steal items and completely screw over the end mages.. great job there.. plus you are going to completely make fighters stronger..

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Mana steal items do not remove mana from the target. They convert a percentage of the damage done into mana.

Against the vast majority of opponents, all-endurance mages have no problems winning. Sure, if you focus on resistance gear and skills (or max out health as well), you stand a chance, but that's pretty much the only choice.

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have you ever PVPed against ASWunreal (spell sorry ASW) or ahno (lvl 24 fighter) or even wreker?? they all extremely tough to beat even for a end mage at any lvl.

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Yes, I play PvP regularly... and have fought Aswun and Wreker. I don't recall fighting Ahno, but I probably have.

My mage is all-int... with about 10k health in PvP. I've beaten Wreker with this build before. Never could hurt Aswun enough to kill him because regen is so strong. Best I could get is a stalemate out of him. In general, my mage does pretty well in PvP.

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so basically i spent the past month farming end gear for my mages for a complete waste

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I doubt it. A high endurance build for mages is still viable, just not as easy. You'll have to have a bit more intellect to compensate... or use your spells more effectively.

Don't be so hasty to pass judgment on changes you haven't even tried yet. Be sure to jump on PTS when this build is ready and give it a whirl... then let us know what you think.

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I'd suggest that you play the new build before passing judgement on the changes.

It's a tough call on when to release patch notes just because of this kind of preliminary feedback. I come down on the side of giving you patch notes as soon as possible. It's unfortunate to see emotional responses to these changes before they're even tried out. I see why my peer producers are more guarded with their information...

As for warriors being overpowered now. I don't think the balance will be in their favor as much as you believe. They do have increased hit chances, but hitting a low defense opponent is hardly a problem with the current game.

We've increased the defense rating of warrior equipment and given them better melee attack rating, that's true. But the regen changes will help mages deal with them from a distance more effectively. If, as a mage, you want to stand next to a warrior and go blow for blow then you'll have to improve your defense rating in some way to compensate.

Again, the increased mana costs will be felt, but they are not unplayable. An all-endurance mage will have to adjust strategies and get some regen armor to help compensate. Or, feel free to put some more points in intellect to make the difference.

Light in the Loafers has been improved, but it's not much better than it's current "live" max rank. Really, this helps the lower-level players get more use out of the skill. I believe the duration is now 15 seconds with a 30 second cooldown at max rank.

We're not stopping our work to make the game more balanced. We will continue to add skills and adjust powers into the future. Our goal is to enable as many valid strategies as possible. To do that, we have to disrupt clearly superior builds. This is a long-term iterative cycle that we're dealing with here. It's gonna take us dozens of iterations before we're "done".

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I think i'll just quit till your done with your iterations so i dont waste my time farming more useless crap, training more useless skills or leveling more useless toons and wasting more money and time.

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When PVP was started it was stated that rebalancing would only affect the PVP world but this hasnt happened. Many of the changes that you complain about do affect the PVE aspect of the game. I have refrained from commenting on this part of the forum (with a handful of exceptions).

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The changes we're making aren't just for PvP. They are for PvE as well. We could have easily made them just for PvP, but the design team believes these changes will make the PvE game more interesting.

I agree with them.

If there's ever a change required to PvP that would ruin the PvE game... or a change to PvE that would ruin the PvP game then we'd keep those changes separate. If there's a change that makes them both better then we're gonna do it! It's a no-brainer from our vantage point.

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Hey Stephen I ahve been wanting to ask..define more interesting?

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I'd define more interesting as having more meaningful choices to make. More loot choices, improved monster AI, faster decision cycles for skill use and more limited resource management are all contributors for "more interesting" gameplay.

Of course, you may think it's not all that interesting. We'll soon see.

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Ok I decided to read up on the forums about the debate of end. mages and the new patch of how we are going to get nerfed, So I decided to pull a few tests of my own. This is how it goes, for build 1 I pulled a jaysherman(no offense jay) with 90Hp and 8kmana I went up against a level 30 ranger and he took me down half hp, the second test was a 10kHp build with 65k mana Using SoL i went up against a 67 ranger and the results were terrible.. he was an AS ranger and took down my mana in a few seconds leaving me completely vulnerable with out my SoL and on top of that I couldn't use any skills or anything to even run away as darth stated. I also read in the next chunk SoL will receive a enhancement to decrease the % of mana it deflates which is usefull but your always increasing the mana cost of my spells 'significantly' so my thoughts are why not take the cost of SoL off because if my Hp are being nerfed hard and im relying on SoL which is deflating my mana then using a spell that literally eats away my mana, Mages become completely useless as many have said.

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This is exactly what i was saying that would happen, Now we know that BSoL is getting improved efficiency. However, this is ONLY as you rank up. This leads me to believe that lower level mages will be totally screwed in PvP and that unless there are new items that give a MASSIVE boost in intel higher end mages will have a very tough time of it as well.

End note: I'll bet that mages will quickly vanish from PvP after the patch and I dont really want to think about fighting Abbadon (Abby) in PvE as a mage; As it is I cant solo him on anything higher then formidable and even in a group have to use lots of mana pots to keep my BSoL running, (FYI I'm a 8.6K HP mage with 44.7K mana with 1.5K fore resist with no buff/ward and 3K even with both {as I fight})

All of this makes me think is that mages especially low level ones are going to be easy pray in PvP and also that mages will be reduced even more to running around the edges of a fight casting curses to aid fighters / rangers like some low level leech.

Those are my thoughts on all this,
Darth.

PS: thanks for telling some n00b that I'd powerlevel them when I logged on Nolan

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PS: thanks for telling some n00b that I'd powerlevel them when I logged on Nolan

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hehehe now that's entertaining