Introduction:
this post is made in order to allow everyone to become very successfull in PvP as i will reveal all of the secrets me and all my friends as well as my enemies have discovered

Basics:
one thing very important is that even though the game is and will forever be changing a lot of things have been done to make the game balanced for everyone and if you think it is not then maybe some of things here will help you realise it is
PvE/pvp:
well as the title says PvE is not PvP so if you guys are going PvP with the same set as you are using PvE the reason why you are loosing is because your oponent has been setting himself for PvP ...
how to set for PvP:
well there is one thing very simple to understand if your character is under 50 000 HP in PvP mode then you will not stand a chance against someone that has the right build if you think it is impossible then i ll tell you about a ranger level ONE that wanders around with two hundred kills (including me) with 75 000 hp on the Arena so it is possible i would even say it is easy
how much ENDU is needed:
the maximum you can get is what you need for exemple it is not rare for me as a mage to have 85 000 HP how do i do it ? i have 1000 Endu when it comes to PvP and the only guys that can take me down have the same kind of build
(if you are lower level just get as much endu as you can and with the level 101 rebalancing you will get just as much endu as us
how much mana/damage input you need:
well pure and simple you need the strict minimum but on another hand the more you will have Percent adding damage item in the specific field of damaging you are using the better you will be (what i mean by that is you dont need more than it is necessary to kill one guy with your full mana bar as a mage cause the time for him to come back you can always recharge so no need of 40 000 mana i sometimes have enough with only 7000 mana)
how to act in the Arena:
well to start , standing face to face with your openent and blasting him at the same time he is blasting you = very bad idea
come on guys if this is what you are doing just forget it you are not made for PvP there is a major need of a strategy that is considering what is on your hotbar as well as how your oponnent may act
you need to realise that engaging fight near a corner will allow you to take cover in a faster move mostly if you are slowed down by any debuffing blast and that moment woumd be the perfect time to perform a "heal self not others" and engage combat again just a sliver of time after you have healed not to allow your foe to do the same and this way you can switch from your disadvantaged position to a certain victory
when to perform Unerving shout:
it depends if you are using it mainly to slow mvement speed to prevent a runner or to slow attack speed what i mean by that is if you are fighting a mage no need to unerve him at start better do it when he is 40 percent life this way you will have more time with him slowed down when he starts to run
on another hand if you are fighting a ranger you should cast it as soon as possible (watch out for the stun though they are of course expecting that one as first spell and if you fark it just run until it comes back)
Chaging strategy in mid fight
there is one sure thing if you run to the man he runs to you you guys fight and he farks you straight and clear there are only two possibilities for you that are giving up OR changing your hotbar cause there is something not working out there
if you are a mage do not stay focused on one type of damage cause the man you are fighting is not stupid he knows that the person he 's been fighting ten times was using FIRE he WILL get fire resist gear so howzabout you surprise him and give him some kind of ICE or even better just PRETEND you will use ice take fast cover switch to SHADOW and then FIGHT it or why not be even more vicious and switch back to FIRE it depends on how far in a level of crasyness you want to drive your enemy
the Resist gear the best thing i would suggest is to spare some items that are dedicated in one reistance field best would have to be able to get three items dedicated to a resist in at least five different fields of damage (if you want to be a good dueler get used not to have room for nada at bank as well as in INVENTORY)
for exemple the maximum resist damage i can go up to is oriented fire for PvE purposes (fighting abby) and it goes up to 2500 unbuffed and in term of PvP i can go up to 1500 to ICE resist SHADOW resist and POiSON resist switching only three items from my general PvP gear to a dedicated PvP gear having the needed intems in my INVENTORY when i am entering queue
learn to be tricky:
well this is very important there are things most people will not do and if you do it all the time you will eventualy be vry good at it and you will easily take advantage on a man tougher than you in terms of stats resists and damage
what i mean by there is you guys all need to practice to be able to dodge any ind of projectiles cast at you at a medium range distance and when you get comfy with that start to do it when you are blasting the an and he is blasting you
just like in the hold far west if you blast side step blast side step blast the one of the two that will be the better at retargeting the enemy after a dodging sidestep will be the one taking advantage no matter who has the best gear
in the same perspective it would be nice to break the attempt of unerving shout toward you with a stun or a getting out of the way move cause you will then have a lot of time without having to be bothered by this slow
there is also one nice thing to do and as far as i know there is only one or two people that are using this technique that consists into being litteraly HALF INSIDE
of your enemy when he is a mage and you are not because you will hit him but because when the mage is attacking he puts his arm horizontaly and having the bolt coming out of his hand and because the hand of the mage will be passed the back of the ranger/warrior then the mage will be farked when the warrior/ranger will NOT recieve damage so if you are mage you need to learn how to recognise this situation perfomr a little back walk and turning camera at the same time will make you be back in the right position


well if anyone has any question just post it here and i will try to answer or update with you tips and tricks to perform PvP
good luck to everyon and i hope i will get kill more and more as people will read this post!!!

a Mage has sent me PM having troubles fighting ranger so i ll try to explain how to kill a ranger nice and sweet : )

what you need :
- an enormous amount of hp : it is clear that entering pvp as a mage with 45k HP is WAY not enough unless you are a dodging master and you have been blessed by the Gods go for AT LEAST 70K hp
- a reasonnable amount of poison resist: you need at least 1500 unbuffed and try resist poison too and if it is still not enough add it the ward
- ranged damage reflection: this is very effective but to do it right keep in mind that having at least 75K hp is required for this to be really effective
- buffing up properly:here is a nice trick before you enter queue have everything into your hotbar ( resist poison thickheadness to resist stuns divine resistance to get a chance to resist unerving shout spirit of the hare to engae very fast after the gates are open all damage improving spell you will be using in the first minute of the fight
as soon as you enter the arena start to press those buffs using the one that will last longer first and the one that will last shorter last and then when it is done remove the ones will not be using again and the ones that last several minutes and replace them by the skills you may be needing
this will allow you to be very powerfull when the fight is begining
-change magic damage school : this guy must have a weak resistance find it asap and USE it do not stick to your favorite type of damage cause if that range is full resist you jhust dont have a chance...

hope it helped Pm me to tell me if you turned out successfull

avoiding ice shards:
no matter what class you are when you are fighting a ice wizard using ice shards you will most likely get owned but there is a simple solution to this
what makes ice shards powerfull is that they can all hit the same target and then do trmendeous damage but they spread fast and being one stomp a way will be almost enough to get out of those three shards hitting you at the same time
a good tip if you are not so good at running is to perform a stomp (break unervingshout with it will be even better) and right ahead hit a shadow smack ( wait a bit more than half a sec cause if the guy as not recovered from the stomp he will not be taken back again) when you do this if the guy's unerving farked and your landed then he is twisted
all you got to do is use fire bolt to have him at a good distance staying away from the three shards and landing bolts when you have taken a big advantage you can enter contact and finish him make sure you unerved him again if you can to prevent an attempt to escape

hope all those ice wizards around are less feared now ;p

boosting your damage output
ok so this is a easy trick to perform for those of you that would like to add damage to their main attack without having to stop it like when performing a gazeous blast

lets say i am a wizard or a ranger and i cast ice shards or poison shot
very easy to perform have your main attack on the right click and take SHADOW LIGHTNING on the left click
keep main attack pressed when shadow lightning is up just press left click WITHOUT RELEASING the right click performing your main attack you will instantly blast the lightning the instantly release the left click and you will see you char not stoping to blast main attack performing shad lightning inbetween now all you got to do is keep an eye on shad light and each time it is back up press left click without releasing main attack and release left click to switch back to main attack
so main attack must never be released and press the shad light click as soon as it is up and release it as soon as the light is going
hope that helped

dont get bothered by runners
so best things to do not to be bothered by a runner /escaper are :
you need to perform unerving a little later after contact to have time to kill when he starts to run
you need to have spirit of the hare to be able to catch up easily if the guy runs as fast or faster than you

but the best trick mostly if you are using the trick above with shadow light is just to PRESS left click your guy will automatically follow the escaper and will release a lightning every one second and a half
it works very well and the good point is you can even talk to your friends chasing the runners (one hand tyoing though cause the other one is holding shadow lightning)

people you should get scared of

if you meet those guys prepare to have a very hard time :
(they show up in orderof dangerousness)
Jaysherman
viperus
dankoriley
trek
ahnno
zling
aswunreal
wreker
bitburger
wreckit

if you think you ar edangerous but that i forgot you pease send me a PM we will see that on the battle field if you beat me your name will be added there for sure

Great information. Anyone who reads this should thank for Pharque for taking the time and giving away secrets it took hours of playtime to uncover. Thanks Phar.

pretty cool xD alot of reading I think I forgot everything now lol!

the good old hit and run
this easy technique consists in taking advantage in the will your foe will have to engage combat
first have a little zoomed out vision for more visibility when you run taking distance keeping a perfect eye on your foe
have spirit of the hare engaged as soon as the barriers are open run to the enemy like mad to surprise him with the time delay of first contact (do not stop when you have him on sight not to give him time for any evaluation on what you may come up with)
as soon as you are in range for unerving shot blast it! if you were fast enough this action will be too fast and your enemy will most likely panic to have contact barely five seconds after gates are opened
immediately after this is done back step far enough to be out of range for ice shard shadow bolt and use an immediate succession of fire bolts while your slowed oponent is recovering from the effect of panic and trying to reach range as soon as he is about to be in range cast a few ice bolts(at any time if he gets too close keêp in mind that doing a righteous stomp folowed by a shadow smack down will put you back in perfect range)then take distance again start to blast , take distance start to blast ,kill
the secret is to be staight in the middle of the path this way running backward on a straight path will allow you to do this for a long distance
you must also try not to waste time in between running phases and and blasting phases
as soon as you feel like you did it enough to take advantage on a pure contact stop running not to allow your enemy to figure how not to get tricked (wich is by not folowing) and allow yourself to recast the unerving shout as you may have done it for around twenty seconds : )

hope it works out for those trying it out
this techni¨que needs practice

unerving shot around the corner

when you are on a run for your life situation here is a nice move to perform

lets take a situation that is the worst of all
i am getting very low on life my opponent is still comfortable with his life bar
i am under the effect of unerving shout he is not

so as it has been exp^lained on a previous fight yo guys have been engaging combat around a corner to take cover whenever you will need to
okay so i start to run and i go straight to the place where i will be out of sight from my oponent but then instead of dumbly keep^on running when it is obvious he has the advantage i stand there hugging the wall out of sight placing my camera so i can really see him coming and way before seing me he will be in the range of an unerving shout i just have to blast it and it will most likely never get countered by any kind of way
i then turned a situation where i was slowed he was not to a situation where i am getting close of being unslowed down and he ahs a fresh slow on him
if you are really low on life you should have the time to perform a stun right before he starts to try and kill you again you will then be able to escape and recover
you can also do it like that if you are really fast
escape round the corner
stop place camera get ready to unerving
perform unerving
as soon as it is done perform heal self not others
stomp right ahead without leaving him the time to hit you
as you have been healing quite a decent amount of life you do not have to escape anymore your opponent has a fresh slow
TIME TO FINISH HIM

psssh ....i think i should be offended by that being the bottom of the list with the 2 top most pvp wins in the game ....



Edited by wreker (10/29/07 02:20 AM)

^ Haha its ok wreker, i'm not even there and i've slayed like half that list including u. I also came up with like the majority of the mage strats being used now a days, but never seem to get credit or mentioned anywhere...

Read a lot of your post and don't know if it was mentioned. Hope it was. Anyways. Take Bookworm and couch patatoe off your bar and go in with just GymFreak and AverageBMI This will give you a lot more HP to survive with and you will have more than enough MP to do all the spells you need to do.

At least it worked for my Endurance Build/Mage version. With 210 End and I can't remember how much Int I get from all my Noggin Equip(pure Int). I was doing alright. Though I may have done better with a PVP Equip. Since with all that Int I still had more then enough MP after every kill. When I was the one doing the killing at least.

heh ..this guy self addmittedly sux at pvp and only fought me 2 times .....ever ...and both were in pts server just after the pvp release ..the pvp was far from balanced at that point and he jumped on the upper side of the balance ...he won one match and ran off pvp never to return again...hence just making himself sound totaly pathetic by posting that ...ehh oh well have a nice life gorillas ...

I, on the other side, know Gollias. Its not that good.. Wreker, to call it pathetic as you are one of the people I dont find very social in the communicating, and far from always right imo. I dont call you pathetic either, I just accept some people arent like me or anyone else. Always mind to who you say things, and then start calling people like that (That doesnt include 1 or 2 battles, I mean on the social part).
Now for a change, I find Gollias a nice person, and not bad at pvp at all, but was this where the thread was meant for?

Simple Statement of facts:

Ok guys first of all thanks to everyone who has been reading those posts

i would like let everyone know how things went with me and another dueler just because when we first met i was level 50 and he was 100 and i was thrilled by the first kill i had on him after getting b00med again and again and i had disrespectfull remarks toward him wich i should not have

eversince this occured Wreker and me could never really get alng of course we had some moments when we were talking to each others and all but in most cases we just spent time dueling insulting eachothers in the meanwhile

wreker is certainly the person who has been killing the most in this game and this by very far

despite the fact that when i started the game pvp did not yet exist it turned out that my class (mage) has really been overpowered compared to others such as rangers or warriors (what i mean by overpowered is that you can have very effective results without even being talented at all when rangers or warriors need to be hell good if they want to have killing effectiveness)

eversince pvp started wreker has been number one in terms of pvp wins so that makes him number one , but not only that he has made a lower character level that is now number two worldwide in term of pvp wins

eversince pvp started Wreker was The reference for everyone else (including me of course) and his experiences helped the devs themselves to rebalance pvp and this is something that makes him deserve everyone's respect

so Mister Wrek i am sorry if i have been spreading your name in a false way when i am facing pure and simple facts i do realise that you can be very proud of yourself and all the achievments you have accomplished

i hope that people who will read this post realise that it is stupid to dirty talk to wrek and lets all stop being jaelous of his stats and start to practice more !

Wrek GGs on being the world leading pvper !

to Sir Golias

Greetings big G i would like to apologise but i do not know you either this is why you have not been mentioned as a dangerous character to fight agaisnt in the battle field

i am looking forward to an encounter you and me and be sure i will be releasing my wrath on you since i expect you to be one of the best

Thank you vrey much Sir Dungeon Keeper for that post
and i do think the same way as you and would like to see the amount of losses of each character just next to the amount of wins in order to have a better idea on who we are facing
congrats to all the duelers for trying hard to be in the hall of fame i am sure there is not many steps to become famous for the all of you that try hard
all keep up the good work

I know it has been said in the thread but until there is a loss total..number of wins is no way to judge skill. I have fought people with great talent that had 25-50 wins and people with little to no talent with 100+ wins.

Also, I am so sick of hearing this balance word tossed about. First it was the battle cry of the loser to "wait until the next patch". The next patch came and went and now I am hearing excuses again. Why cant people adapt. there will never, ever, ever be 100% balanced pvp in any game unless you both create new characters..with the same stats, skills, and equipment. Part of pvp is knowing how to perfect the build and equipment and use the system to your advantage.

Edited by jayshermansc (11/02/07 02:15 PM)

the booby trap:

this one is quite funny joke but hell it does work on players with few experience the idea consists of droping a rainbow item just before the fight is engaged to have your foe willing to click or check on it while you take initiative advantage ;p

tonight we had a funny idea with a couple friends and we decided to form a uber group and whack'n'hack big times
here is who was in the team Jaysherman Wreckit Destructer and your servitor Pharque as we were about to join queue guess who just logged on ? ;p STEPHEN HIMSELF so we stood there not saying a word and BAM he entered queue ;p
pharque tells stephen :"welcome to HELL"
stephen tells pharque :"heh"
the game was great the game was nice we had a new team of fashion designers that repainted the battle arena walls with some dev guts and flesh and bones;p
congrats Stepehn you still are the one that did best against that group that went undisputed for all night

anticipation

this term is the key to be able to hit a moving target with effectiveness
as you may all have notivced if you follow your target that his moving you will always hit too late instead of that try to guess where he is moving and point your arrow where the target should be standing in half a second (two centimeters ahead of target is good for those who know the metric system)
this technique needs practice but is very effeective and you can reverse it when you are willing to dodge simply by guessing when the guy will be aiming at you and move sidestep right before that momet if done well you will never get hit unless you decide to

the bait trick

this nice trick consists in putting your bait in between you and your opponent to have your foe shoot at it time for him to move or to figure he is not hitting you but the bait will be far enough to let you have advantage

how to turn out victorious when fighting a big group

first there are things you need to have in your hot bar:
banner of foolish bravery shadow lightning improve shadow lightning gazeous blast ring of fire spirit of the hare shadoW world smack down
unerving shout and of course the buff to prevent you from being slowed down as well as the heal self not others

what you need to do :
as a main attack it is important that you understand that each time you perform an atack it must me an area damage attack a good trick is to do like this : shadow light , ring of fire , shadow light , gazeous blast , shadow light ,ring of fire , shadow light , gazeous blast and so on

make sure that when you hit the unerving shout a maximum of enemies are getting landed

as soon as you have everyone ahead of you performing full damage time to hit the shadow smack down they will all get stunned one at a tur and this will be very usefull

as soon as you have nticed an escaper that is low on ife perform the buff that will prevent you from being slowed hit the spirit of the hare press shadow lightning and keep it pressed until the guy is dead

another thing you may want to do is to have thickheadness prepared when you enter battle hit it then remove it to replace it with a passive and get ready to go it lasts three minutes so will be enough to make you resist enough stuns and perform a few kill

one last thing is that you already have ten skills used in this particular set and it is impossible since you need at least gymfreak as a passive so there will be things you wont be able to do your choice to select wich but know that you may not need improve magic damage passive as your damage will already be very much boosted up

hope this helps and congratulations to Jaysherman who defeated a five people group today

In regards to fighting big groups, thickheadedness, ice shards seem to be key winners for me. The hardest groups are the ones where everyone turns and runs behind the others at low health and heals up. Best thing to do is divide and conquer trying to ensure you've got your unnerving shout and ice to slow them down enough to land the killing blow before they can fall back. And don't be afraid to run away, good use of righteous stomp can let you get a clean escape.

In other news, after a 23 consecutive win streak (a few of this guide's tips came in handy!) I fought Viperus.

Got pwnt pretty bad (he'd have 40-60% health left), but it was a load of fun.

Level 23, Apotheosai, look me up. =)

the ice ranger
ok this one is coming in hot and i do expect to see lot of you guys using it ;p
correct me if i am wrong but as rangers you may have encountered troubles when being under the effect of unerving shout due tot he fact that your hitting rate consideravly slowed down
the pharque suggestion of the day is to have a specific build made mostly of Endu of course but you may want to have like 650 int would be far more than enough since it is what i personaly use as a mage but you guys could try 500 to have some points in agi with some sweet rainbows too
wearing a mix mage/ranger gear and those new poison jewelries could be good too

but here is when it turns out to be interesting what you guys need is to land a poison shot /gazeous blast and then switch right ahead with ice shards (yes yes ice shards) you dont ahve to worry at all being slowed down since mage spells dont get slowed and as soon as your poison has vanished you can give it another quick shot and stick back to ice shards but your opponent might as well already be dead

this one is designed for level hundreds if you are lower than that you need to adapt your skill points this trick considers that you ahve read all the previous posts and mastered all its content so you know what spell to have in your skill bar how to hit and dodge how to do everything...

LOL Jay i registered Two days before you !! show respect to your Elder !!!(damned it is hard to raise my amount of posts)

Pharque wants YOU to read the WAR JOURNAL !! and tell your little sister about it too !

now ain't that a cool way to start a all new page four !!
guys if you have an idea on how to become the king of the kings and you are so good at it you are not even afraid it will be turned around against you HERE is the place to say it !!!

pharque you and jay i owe all my credit too as being a good pvper.. you both answered my questions, helped me out and shown me the light.. this is just a thank you to you and jay for taking the time