1. There is NOTHING to do at level 100. Yes, I've been there for several months now.. I've farmed the shadow queen so much I can drop her in 13 seconds without using a potion. There are no high level quests, there is no high level content, there are no bosses you can only access past level 80, you can't gain experience, you can't access any particular skills, there's nothing to use your money for, there is literally no end game. In short, I wasted 250 hours creating a character who's only purpose is to farm, and stand there and look pretty. If that's not the definition of truly boring, I don't know what is. There has to be high level content added or there is no reason to bother with leveling. I have absolutely no desire to start another character just to get them up to level 100 and encounter the same crap all over again. Heck.. anyone past level 50 didn't even have a Sam to get jewelery from until someone noticed, went "oops" and added those in on an existing spawn of his. If that doesn't show a fairly profound lack of concern for high level players I'm not sure what does.

2. Money has no use in the game past level 90. My character is currently sitting on 17 million gold and has every skill in the game. There's nothing for me to buy, there's nothing to spend it on, and I can't give it away so it just accumulates. IMO, cut the value of items by a factor of 10 with an equal reduction in the cost of skills so it doesn't hurt low level players. Or introduce a goldsink.. player housing, high level items, a casino.. something to make gold worthwhile.. heck.. I don't even have all that much.. Tachan has over 120,000,000 gold, so he's worse off than I am in this case. The entire game is geared for lower levels currently, and high level characters are the ones hurt by it.

3. Chat needs to be split up into level dependent groups. Every 10 levels grants access to another channel.. The garbage on world chat on a daily basis is enough to cause any player to quit.. flaming, trolling, racism, prejudice, and the system to report these people is bulky and difficult to work through. I had a friend comment it took him nearly 20 minutes to find the page to report someone in chat. If you can't split the chat channels up start a system of in game moderation where players can flag a specific comment made in chat. 10 flags = 1 day ban or something like that. If the flags are timestamped, it should be easy enough to find the offending comment in the log in the event of a dispute from the player.

4. Emphasis in the game on fluff updates suggested by players who whine more than they play. Want examples of things that have been fixed? Transparent chat windows, Agrock was removed, the entire classless system overhaul (it already existed in the game if players had bothered to experiment), shared space between dungeons for people who couldn't see the obelisks apparently. What hasn't been fixed (and please, bear in mind some of these are months old now)?
The glitched patch of ground people get stuck on constantly climbing the hill to storage, the stone walls you can walk through, the missing floor texture in the embercore with lava area, a bug where skills sometimes won't fire even after dozens of clicks, then suddenly go off all at once, items coming out of a chest and ending up in a wall or on a high ledge.. the list is massive, and EVERY item I've mentioned so far has been reported in the forums at least once.. but still nothing done about it. The development team for this game is exceptional in listening to what players have to say, but they need to stop pandering to the squeaky wheels, and start looking at things reported by the average player, who happens to notice a bug, and reports it only once rather than harping on it constantly. It may seem like I'm nitpicking on minor items, but most of these bugs have existed since the end of beta, and that was 7 months ago if not more.. not exactly a selling point.

5. The binding system desperately needs to be reworked. Find a low level mythic, use it for 10 levels and then sell it? Pretty lousy option IMO. How about pay to unbind it and then give it to someone else? Mythics are not so common that they should be considered throwaway items.

6. Why so much emphasis on a PVP addition to the game? The classes are already insanely unbalanced so it really isn't going to add except for the select few who are diehard about it. I've fought alongside of high level mages and rangers and the survivability of the fighter is off the charts in comparison, and I very much expect the same thing to appear in a pvp situation. This is one update that should have been put on the backburner until the rest of the game was fully fleshed out.. extend HDoL, make a level 70 dungeon, make a level 80 dungeon, add three new types of monsters, add a puzzle dungeon.. there's so much that could have been done before this it boggles the mind.. sure pvp will be fun for a month or so.. then what do higher levels do? Same issue as point number one..

But enough complaining from me.. what items I had which weren't bound have been given away and my bank emptied out. I'll maybe pop back in a few months to see if there's any improvement to the high level end of the game, but given the current track record of the game I rather doubt it.

As it is, thank you to the limited release crew including Tachan, Hazelwood, Smoosh, MamaAnarchia, Longo, Asterell, Uriel, and many others for making my stay here enjoyable Maybe see you around the game or in another

Fenith - Level 100 fighter

Edited by GM_Dynamite (07/01/07 09:32 PM)

I know what your saying however doesnt it sort of seem like they are still creating the foundation of the game, I mean you need pvp and all those things otherwise certain people will not even consider the game. They are getting rid of the delay, still fixing bugs etc.. all so they can focus on adding content.

I dunno I really wish there was more content and enemies as well but I guess theres some changes that arent optional.

It was fun running with you Fenith. Or should I say cracking jokes and trying not to make fun of people to much. Let me know what other games you are trying and maybe I will see you in those soon too.

I hope they do fix some of these issues or I may be out in a fairly short amount of time myself. A reason why I have slowed down playing is to give them time to catch up but closing in fast now and not sure enough at end to keep me going for long.

I fully agree with you about the little bugs that have been there since I started in January. Some changes seem to be coming with this next patch, but alot of this should have been in place before the game opened fully to the public. Especially the reworks to the Invite and Chat systems.

Hope to see you around some time and don't forget about those pesky Gnome Monks.

give it time.. instead of rushing yourself to lvl100 so fast. its no contest. this game isnt out that long yet, and im sure there will be allot of patches that make everyone happy. i started of also rushing myself as fast as posible to lvl100, but at lv70 i kinda stopped leveling and tried group up now and then, enjoy the quests (theres like 90 new coming). make some good friends, this way it makes u enjoy a game much longer maybe try coming back after the new patch

Edited by Abhorsen (07/01/07 10:48 PM)

Yes but rushing there in a few weeks is different than those of us that have been here for 6 months now. I haven't been rushing and spend alot of my time answering questions that people have. It can be very had to group at my level and i refuse to power level people. I fully understand and agree with what Fenith is stating in his exit.

nice to see a true player speaking out =]

oh btw I know a trick that has to do with yum yum. Work great on,, nvm.

This is an ideal time and place to post the state of the game for the level 100s. The lack of high level content for level 100 players has been a big issue and may continue to be a big issue for a long time to come. There are several players who have achieved level 100 when the game went live and there will be many more to come. It is very unsettling that long time level 100 players have stopped playing DR mainly because of a lack of level 100 content. Sure for every "old time" level 100 player there will be one if not more "young buck" level 100 players to take their place, but is this unnecessary turnover to be taken casually? The ranks of level 100 players are growing quickly and if the devs do not address this situation and give it priority, they will have a serious crisis on their hands with players leaving in droves and flaming the game in the forums and posting exits like Fenith's recent post.

PvP is a step in the right direction but how long can this satisfy high level players? I have tried out a rough form of PvP on the PTS and it has glaring balance issues, issues that probably won't be resolved after several patches if at all. The devs have now opened up a pandora's box with the introduction of PvP. They now must devote their time trying to balance and flesh out PvP. Which suggests little if any time devoted to introducing high level content.

The 100s have been helping the devs guide the direction of the game since beta for a better playing experience for all in the hopes of making dungeon runners a truly exceptional game and to subjugate their enjoyment of the game in favor of the uninitiated many is a travesty since 100s stand at the precipice of game content, always push the envelope and scope of the game and ever look forward towards new horizons and directions.

To many of you who read this I may sound like an elitist, but remember some of you will reach level 100 like us. And just as 100s before me have helped guide this game since beta, I am doing my part to be an advocate for you. For those who haven't reached 100 yet, I and others like Fenith with his exit post are trying to bring the full attention of the developers to the condition of their level 100 players so that you will never have a bleak outlook of the game and so that you will have something to look forward to when you hit 100. "Give it time" say some including the devs, but some of the 100s have been "giving it time" since beta and with each new patch lacking high level content, that was the last time that they "gave it time."

There's always Shadowbane....

alright alright enough quote's i get the point now... lol. i typed this before i went to bed. what i actually wanted to say was the new patches probably slowly add content for high lvls so give it time =p but yeah ofcource i agree also in some points. increased level cap or a huge increase of xp needed after lvl90+increased skill buffs for last rank would help out allot i think for example

We're working on level 100 content. But I understand that it's hard to wait for it when it comes slower than expected. Hopefully you'll keep your eye on the game Fenith and come back when we've got more for ya!

Thanks for playing!

steve

So basically there's no point in continuing my ranger since it won't be as good as a fighter in the end? Weak :/

u can make u char ne thing u want it to be i stated out as a ranger and turned barb and then fighter, dude its sweet u can ahve endless combos of classes nad never b stuck wiht one thing

That's not what i mean....I'm saying i can of course be a ranger all i want but it won't be as effective as a fighter just as fenith said.

Demon, you're overreacting just a tad bit. Just because Stephen didn't mention changing class balance in THIS post, doesn't mean it won't happen. *rollseyes*

50+ level 100 guys, 20.000+ other level guys... And you ask why they don't focus on level 100 stuff? Have patience. It's not even version 1.0 yet! And level 100 stuff WILL come, as stated long before this post (but i can understand your feelings if you've been waiting for this stuff the last 4-5 patches though...).

So far the only good idea for end game content is pvp, unless you can come up with something good you may not end up happy.

I came up with an idea that as you kill a certain type of enemy a certain amount of times they appear to help you at the end dungeon/boss, this gives you a bit of a goal to farm for and is unique enough for this game to appeal to people for its own merits. Anyways I know its not the best idea and may not appeal to everyone but its that type of idea that will make the end game interesting and keep people coming back to dungeon runners.

So ya what ideas do you have for the end game?

My own personal thoughts on the endgame? Level 100 dungeon would be nice.. I appreciate that monsters scale, but something where they're level 100 to start, not just bumped up to level 100 would be nice.. how about a sci-fi themed dungeon? Next, an uberboss that is unkillable solo, but scales _down_ as you get more people in your party.. instead of a hp boost, a corresponding hp drop Pets that you can level and maintain, or how about a skill to control a monster from one of the dungeons, with the same goal in mind? The ability for level 100's to unbind items. A quest, in which a level 100 must slay one of each kind of monster in the game and capture their essence... upon completion they're awarded a new skill.. this would encourage re-exploring everything all the way back to Dew Valley. A crafting system.. toss two items into a pot and out comes a third.. could be good, could be bad.. but there's the element of chance there at least. Minigames! How about fishing? There's a perfectly good river in the middle of townston (do some of the dungeons have bodies of water? I can't remember). With the implementation of pvp and guilds in the future, you could start to get into guild warfare.. build and defend a castle.. that sort of thing. Pay to hire troops, buy siege engines, would make a great goldsink. Rare bosses with a higher drop rate on mythics that spawn only on certain floors of certain dungeons, and even then, only spawn 5-10% of the time. Pieces of an artifact, only one of which can drop for a specific character, but when all 4+ are combined, it opens a new area for that group to adventure in (would go well with the implementation of guilds). Heck.. even the eventual implementation of guilds will add high level content, or at least something to do. A racetrack/gauntlet.. players can attempt to get through an obstacle course in the shortest time possible for a prize, or can wager on current contestants. If/when it's implemented, familiar battles with the familiar controlled by the player themselves... how about something as simple as an ascension/rebirth? Level 100's can be reborn as a level 1 but of a stronger class of characters with a larger pool of attribute points? This would add a great deal to the game and could allow for odd demi-classes like Ninja (warrior/ranger mix), Valkyrie (Warrior/mage), or Druid (mage/ranger).. I for one would have no problem with wiping my character back down to level 1 to rebirth him as something different and more powerful...


If you want some more, I'm sure I can come up with a few if you give me a chance to think about it some more. I'm trying to stay within the bounds of what I think is possible for the game currently, and there's some limitations there.

I dont like the rebirth idea, I hear it a lot on these forums. I dunno it just seems like there should be something more challenging in the end game rather than making it even easier.

Demon don't fret . Talk to Great Great Great Great Grand Daddy Tachan. He was the first level 100 ever and he's 100 pure levels of Ranger goodness. I'm sure he'll tell you a thing or two about Ranger uberness.

Well, I too finished playing today. I in no way compare my short duration of suffering at lvl 100 to those that have been there a lot longer, but I feel the pain after only my short 150ish hours at the lvl cap. With no content currently there for us, other than hangin out in town watching people like I'm at the mall, only other thing to do is kill things. With only 2 benefits to killing (xp and loot), and 1 of the benefits completely gone at lvl 100, I posted an idea to have the drop rates of good gear, mythics and possibly purples increased dramatically at 100, so that at least grinding would still hold a small benefit and give us something to look forward to while playing. If I timed it out, when I grind for gear I average seeing a rainbow drop about every 25 hours or so, give or take. Then you take into account that there are 3 types of drops possible; magic using, ranged attack or melee attacker, and out of that 25 hour grind you only have a 33% chance of getting something even useable. Now factor in the prayer that the item will actually be better than the 1 of 10 you have equipped already, and even seeing the beautiful spectrum lettering often doesn't stir much of an emotion in a drop. I know that more rainbows more often that I could sort through and arrange a nice gear set would at least keep me entertained/busy for a little while longer, which is hopefully all the time I'd need before the next patch with the promised high lvl content. Anyway, that's my take on a short term bandaid fix until the high end game content arrives, will see you all when that occurs .

Ok i'll stick with ranger. I'm really enjoying it i decided i don't care if it isn't gonna be the best cuz...its fun. lol.

I like a lot of the original ideas. It is sad how the squeaky wheel has gotten the grease. I hope the upcoming level 100 content keeps the 100s around. One suggestion, raise the mi level on HDoL... we all entered around 20... after 80 levels if HDoL... it gets uber repetitive. An instannce that can only be entered at level 100 would keep level 100 interest longer... and give such an instance mythic geat that can not be found anywhere else. Obviously there are lots of ideas for the devs to look at... I truly hope they find a good balance for all players in the game. I will try non-member PvP next month... but that's about it... Thankfully I never had plans to stay on the internet past Sept... For me the game was meant as a time filler, it served it's purpose... devs , you exceeded my expectations.

Fen... see you in the new game!! Level 11 Quest is killing me!!! :P

Well, in build 83 they made an attempt at my suggestions for improving mythic drops at 100, imho from what I've seen so far they missed the mark completely, but will play this morning and see. I never like to make short judgements until I've done some testing and gathered some info/data hehe an informed opinion beats a rash one anyday

All of you lvl 100 beta testers that are complaining about lack of content, you have to bear in mind that in 99.9% of MMOs, there is a character whipe from open/closed beta to the live release. If this had been the case we wouldnt be having this problem now, we'de be having it in a few months, which is plenty of time for the devs to come up with some lvl 100 content. Instead of complaining about lack of content, you should be thanking your lucky stars your toons didnt get nuked...

Most of the level 100 are not beta testers. Beta testing ended in Dec with limited release opening. It has been considered a final game since then. Alot of the 100's have been playing since this period with a few have just started since public release. Just because you weren't/couldn't play the game before the end of May does not mean it was in beta.

Rakehell before you hit 100 did you think like Beholder420 and those that think like this player ?

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All of you lvl 100 beta testers that are complaining about lack of content, you have to bear in mind that in 99.9% of MMOs, there is a character whipe from open/closed beta to the live release. If this had been the case we wouldnt be having this problem now, we'de be having it in a few months, which is plenty of time for the devs to come up with some lvl 100 content. Instead of complaining about lack of content, you should be thanking your lucky stars your toons didnt get nuked...

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get past the incorrect technical absolutes of his statement and understand the general point: the game was released to the general public middle of june and that is the point where accounts normally get reset.

but they didn't.

I was part of the "Invite only period (by Dungeon Runners)." And Hazelwood, Fenith and I hit 100 after MamaAnarchia. How long after I don't really know.

my general point is that a reset months ago wouldn't have been such a big [censored] deal, and i'd bet that all of those level 100s would be level 100 already, so the problem of being 'ahead' of the devs isn't because they didn't wipe the characters.

As the 100's posting in this thread have stated the game was wiped at the end of beta. Personally I would have been very pissed if the character I have payed for since Feb was wiped in May because of public release. As I said earlier there is no reason we should be punished because you weren't playing prior to the public release. In another month or 2 there will be plenty of level 100's from the public release that will have the same complaints and problems as those from limited release have now.

I'm not a beta man, in fact, I didn't even start way back in January. hehe I'm just a big mouth guy that reached 100 after playing for a month. That said of course, I did "take my time" in my own way. It's just that my job allows me certain perks in life, one of them is I have the ability to play games all day while getting paid hehe. So in that month (think my account started May 28th?) I put in about 12 days on the /played command.

So I've put in the time a lot of the early release people have, just compressed.

All that stuff is a moot point anyway really, the fact is I'm at 100, there is no content and I wish there was. Point of my thread is just to advise people to do what I did in DR, and any hack'n'slasher, use your imagination, it helps keep things alive longer hehe. It's simply that there is a duration limit on how many times your imagination will keep the same run through the same dungeon alive, at least for me.

you would make a uber 1337 tank Rakehell =]
wish i play sooner so i could meet you in-game

oh ya.. speaking of tank, i encounter quite a few funny story lol. Almost 95% of the tanks i meet in DR from lvl 20-34; are Leroy Jekins. The only time i get serious about them was telling them to work as one or we ain't gonna pass this terror map where monsters generated their hp like mad. I suggested to one of the tank and told em to call out our target, boy it work so nicely in the end! The next day he switch to his Mage and wanna play mage from there on.
if you're reading this, you know who you're =]

Before I say anything I want to say that I am not trying to flame on what you guys have already said. So, heres my opinion:

For me, Dungeon runners is a game far from done. There is a lot of things lacking in the game, and High-level content is only one of them. There are issues that I find equally urgent, like the variety in monster-appereance ("Oh, I advanced five levels, and now the whiskers are green instead of orange!"), or the fact that for a game with a "make your one class" type skillsystem, the amount of skills are lacking, to say the least. There is also no tradesystem, the avatar movement is laggy, the bolt-spells are tedious to aim with, every character looks the same and so on and so off.

But that is what I love with DR, the small close-knit dev-team and the active community, that are litterally making the gamewith our help. The developers are working as hell, and taking on the problems one at a time, dishing out patches as fast as they can.

Now again, I don´t want to flame anyone, and ofcourse its good that you are giving response to the devvers, I just felt this had to be said here.

The atmosphere was getting a bit hostile towards stephen and his merry men

It doesn't matter what game you go to, once you reach the cap, there's not much to do. A new area could be released, then those of you at 100 will fly through it pretty quick, and will be saying the same things you are now. There's a reason why it's called a cap, heh.

I always find it amusing reading various game forums as you can just blank out the title of the game and insert any other and the arguments are all the same. It sucks that you reached it and there's not much for you to do that you haven't done before, so it's just time to move on. Happens with everyone in every game; I just hope you had fun while you were here.

- N

I really dont mean to sound rude here or step on alot of toes b/c I am brand new and I respect the fact that many of you here have devoted alot of time to this game.

But in the most respectful way possible I have to say I disagree with you level 100's.

At first I thought, "man these guys bring up alot of valid points."

But then when you tried to act like your doing this so all of us "future" 100 level people wouldnt have to experience the drag you guys are I realised you are simply being elitist.

The fact is PvP IS the answer to this game. For those of you who think it is not let me ask you this.

You complain of no end game content. Well tell me, in PvE how exactly do you HAVE end game content? It's not freaking possible. Complain all you want but even if they had a level cap of 150 and dungeons to take you that high you would still be in the same boat. You would hit 150 and start whining b/c of no "end game" content.

In PvE there is no such thing as end game. There is only an "appearence" of end game. But truthfully it's not possible to have end game content with out it being THE END. My answer to you guys is you have PLAYED the end game content and when you hit 100 you were at the END.

Now hopefully over time they will release more content but you would be wrong to call it end game, b/c as I said you will just hit the new level cap and be screwed again.

so far I LOVE this game. If anything reading these posts have made me want to simply slow down and take my time leveling more.

PvP is the answer. With PVP you have a reason to want to be uber 100 lol. Whats the point of hitting a level cap and accumalating ALL the best loot if you cant use it to fight against a real person?!

I've always thought PvE players on WoW and Everquest were simply wasting time. If I become uber leet I want PvP. This game is geared to only get better then it allready is.

And secondly, lets not forget. The game is free, unless YOU chose to pay. So people really shouldnt be whining at all.

I hope I didnt make to many enemies. This is really just my honest opinion.

Thank God PVP is on its own server.

Balomar that is an excelent post. But I do have to disagree with you saying my argument was invalid. The fact is you read TO much into it. I agree with you 100%! That was why I said in my opinion in PvE there is NO true end game content..

When I said my answer to you guys is you have allready played end game content I was being sarcastic to a point of If you cry non stop about wanting end game content on PvE, I'm simply going to tell you, "you've allready played it" whenever you hit the level cap.

I hope that makes more sence. I'm not saying I'm 100% right b/c I'm sure I could be wrong. It's simply my opinion that if all I'm doing is playing against AI then really what would be end game content with out it actually being the END of the game?

With PvP (at least for me) it gives it the ultimate replayability as I can take my character who I've tried to max and put him against other live opponents who have done the same. But yes, you are right PvP is not for everyone so I was wrong saying PvP is the end all be all for this game.

Anyway I shouldnt have used the elitist word and came off sounding rude. I only did b/c someone who WAS complaing actually used that word and called himself one lol.

Having a level 100 avatar, I was incensed when I first read this post however, I have found that there is substantial truth, if such a thing as truth exists, in it's content. Currently I am still playing while others have stopped indefinitely. What is great about the development team is that they really listen to the input of their players and implement changes in the game based on that input. I have had a first hand experience with this relationship between players and developers and have seen my suggestion become a part of the game. When some players feel that there is "not much to do" they are empowered to potentially have something to do because of this great relationship. This change could be in next month's build or can become a quick hotfix like the level-scaling, increased mythic drop rate when players were burning up the forums about how rare a usable mythic was.

Fellfromgrace thank you for your reply. More than likely, I may have read too much into the statements and after reading your post I really understand your perspective better. Agreement or disagreement regarding the validity or invalidity of the argument in question may be moot at best since we are actually in agreement. You are entitled to your opinions regardless of whether the opinions are "right" or "wrong." Among other responses we can choose to agree, disagree, ignore or any other point along a continuum of agreement, disagreement, or ignorance. In this case, we are in agreement. Welcome to the game! Enjoy!

The biggest problem I have with the recent replies is that this post was dug out of the graveyard. It was originally posted on July 1 before PVP and many of the other recent changes have been implemented. When this patch is released there will be a lot of new things to do for high level characters.

ya Joe... I come back to see posts that were started a ways back as still be te "active threads"...

And Balomar... sorry dude, I'm too lazy to read your posts :P



Edited by Longo (08/25/07 10:35 PM)

Lol! It's all good. Good hearing from you again. Maybe I'll see you in game sometime.