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Silicia Rabbit Puncher Posts: 81 |
Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat
#23915 - 06/10/07 04:24 AM |
First of, Hello everyone ![]() As the title already states, this is a guide to killing the hero healers in HDoL(Horrific dungeon of legend) without a lot of effort. If you have already been there, you know what kind of a nightmare they tend to be. If you haven’t, then ill give a brief introduction of them. The healers in HDoL are hero difficulty units, which are always in a pair when you attack a group. They have the capacity to heal themselves and other units near them. Due to this healing they tend to take VERY long to kill, with battles ranging from 1 minute to my personal record of 9 full minutes (And 25 potions). However, are they really as tough as they seem to be? Before I answer that lets have a look at the healers themselves: Name: Varies (Hero difficulty) Attack Type: Ice Special Attack: Healing Unit Strengths: - Can heal other units without limits in the amount of heals they can throw - Have very high HP regeneration - Have high base HP (To much to burst of without them having the chance to heal) - ALMOST ALWAYS comes paired with another Hero difficulty healer. (On rare occasions they are paired with another hero class though) Unit Weaknesses: - Cant heal while moving - Will start to walk when a player is close to them. Will wander to a place about 2x melee min range away. - Walks very slow - Heals have limited range(!) Im gonna split this guide in Ranged units(Mage/Ranger) and Close Combat(Fighter), because both need a slightly different strategy MAGE/RANGER The weakness we are going to exploit are the fact that their heals are range limited, and that they start to walk away when your close. We will start with something like the START image, and want to end with something like the END image. If there is a healer at both sides of you, their heals cant reach the other healer. START ......... ......... ....P..H ......H. END ......... ......... H..P..H ......... P = Player H = Hero Healer . = Grid (To show where everything is standing) The best way to do this is using Shadow Word: Smackdown or any other skill that knocks an opponent over. Its also possible to stand right in between the healers to make them move different ways. When you smack down a healer, quickly stand in between him and the other healer. Both healers will walk away from you, but they will be walking in different directions. Because of this you will now have a healer on either side of you, and because of that again, the healers cant reach each other to heal. Simply start nuking the healer with Fire/Ice bolt or poison shot till nothing is left. The healers can only regenerate themselves, but its nothing you shouldn’t be able to overcome. Just remember that when you move, there is a possibility that the healers will also move, ruining your hard work. Also, don't use skills like turkey leg since it will also cause them to group up. Happy hunting! FIGHTER As a fighter, you probably never had any serious problems with the healers, since you where always causing the healers to walk away(Making it impossible for them to heal). I Don’t have a lot to tell you how to kill them, but you might want to separate both hero healers by using Butcher instead of Smackdown, and then nuking one of them while the other is on your other side. Read the MAGE/RANGER section for a howto and whyto separate them. Problems you might encounter while attacking hero healers - Other healing units/other units (Normal difficulty) Always kill the normal units of first, even before you attack the hero healers. Prioritize small non hero healers above everything else. The HP of normal units should allow you to burst DPS(Damage) them without having to worry about the big healers throwing heals. - Champion/Hero units (Non healers) These are quite the pests, because they have to high HP to burst DPS, and are constantly healed by the hero healers when needed. Simply leave them alone and kill the hero healers first. The most major issue with these is that they stand or wander in between you, and the hero healers(Making it impossible to hit them because they are in the way). The best way to deal with this is to get positions like in the below image. Just let the Blockades(Champions) attack you while you nuke the healer you can reach. ......... .....B... H.B.P..H .....B... I hope this guide will be useful to all of you. Sorry its so long, but I wanted to make things as clear as possible. If you have questions, or perhaps suggestions how to improve this guide, just post a message here. Or just come to World 2 sometimes and say hello to me (Silicia) Last, a big thanks to all my friends and everyone else playing at World 2(The world im always on) for being such a great community. Also, a special thanks to Stockings for giving me such fun during the numerous Ice Chieftain runs ![]() Cya all in game sometime I hope, ~Silicia |
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Ralfazar Rabbit Puncher Posts: 74 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat
#23920 - 06/10/07 05:24 AM |
Healers can not heal themselves, only others, if you think they are healing it's cause of their regen rates. |
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Silicia Rabbit Puncher Posts: 81 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat [Re: #23920]
#23924 - 06/10/07 05:49 AM |
Your of course correct. The reason for initially thinking that was because other units blocked my line of sight while attacking the healers, giving them a chance to regen. Thanks for notifying me about this mistake, i should have taken that bit out a lot earlier (And its done now) |
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Pullus Chicken Hawk Posts: 131 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat [Re: #23924]
#23927 - 06/10/07 07:20 AM |
Good summary of the process. Just 1 thing to note and 1 thing to add. To note: On a rare occasion, you will come across a single Hero or Champion healer paired up with another of a different class. As I said, it is rare but does happen from time to time. To add: Monster bait is bad, very bad, when splitting healers. If you throw a Yum Yum any place near them, they will start moving again and cause you to repeat the process, which we all know, can be a pain to begin with. -------------------- Pullus, Level 100 Ranger Exitium, Level 60+ Mage |
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Silicia Rabbit Puncher Posts: 81 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat [Re: #23927]
#23935 - 06/10/07 07:47 AM |
Nicely spotted pullus. I have modified the guide on two points: - It now reads almost always on the healers strength part - I have added a small part that explains people not to move since it may cause healers to move. Also, i covered turkey leg in that Thanks for the hints ![]() ~Silicia |
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Anderthenas New Kid Posts: 5 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat
#24828 - 06/18/07 08:35 PM |
Hugely detailed guide (grats - lot of effort) which misses the entire point and ease of DR. Get the DPS and theyre easy - out DPS their heals on other units and you can basically ignore them anyway. If you can't out DPS theyre heals, I'd suggest a rebuild of your character. Sorry - lots of effort and a good strategy none the less! Edited by Anderthenas (06/18/07 08:36 PM) |
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Silicia Rabbit Puncher Posts: 81 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat [Re: #24828]
#24852 - 06/19/07 01:20 AM |
Quote: Haha, yes, of course your right. But keep one thing in mind: I wrote this guide about 20 levels ago (i was lvl 20 back then) and i went into HDoL about the first time. At that time i was not a member yet, so my gear was full blue, with little DPS on it. I guess you can imagine that my damage back then was not even near good, and the mobs simply healed way and WAY faster then i could ever dish the damage out. These days, im more or less able to out DPS their heals, but i still prefer to split them. Splitting takes about 10 seconds, and it saves me from the irritation of seeing a mob getting his HP back when it was near half a few seconds ago. It also saves some potions, and it adds a little meaningful strategy to a place where its normally just hack and slash. Besides, if your level is low, and your gear is not to good, you can still kill in HDoL this way. ~Silicia |
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Quarto New Kid Posts: 20 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat [Re: #24852]
#24883 - 06/19/07 10:01 AM |
High DPS or not, splitting the healers makes a huge difference. Nice guide. -------------------- Quarto Mage of World 5 |
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Its_Bogey_Time Old Timer Posts: 576 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat [Re: #24883]
#24956 - 06/19/07 11:19 PM |
Not sure just how far you have to split them but everytime I try they just wander back together ![]() Gary -------------------- Bogey ~ Warmanger Steele - Lvl 20-something Ranger We are all one race.... Human Come to the Darkside....we have cookies!!!! and milk:) Demonic Crypts |
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Bogey Veteran |
vB post - 06/19/07 11:19 PM |
Not sure just how far you have to split them but everytime I try they just wander back together :) Gary |
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Silicia Rabbit Puncher Posts: 81 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat [Re: #24956]
#24975 - 06/20/07 02:49 AM |
The best time to split them is when they are slightly apart from each other. Otherwise, the knock back will keep them so close that they stick to each other like glue. Knock 1 hero healer away, make sure you stand between him and the standing healer, and begin attacking the one that still stands. Most times the healer that has been knocked down will just stand up and keep his range while starting an attack at you. Practice makes perfect! Good luck ![]() ~Silicia |
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Anderthenas New Kid Posts: 5 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat [Re: #24975]
#24987 - 06/20/07 05:40 AM |
Since reading the reply, I tried HDoL healers with just blue gear and your totally accurate; it was a huge job without splitting them. Totally accurate and great guide! ![]() |
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bogey Actual Hawk Posts: 371 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat [Re: #24975]
#25010 - 06/20/07 11:20 AM |
Quote: There is probably the salt in my solution....knockback. I don't use anything that does it at the moment. Spam SL on left click with 1h swivel on right click. Bar is AoE's, self-buffs depending on area, and passives. Gary -------------------- Bogey ~ Warmanger Steele - Lvl 20-something Ranger We are all one race.... Human Come to the Darkside....we have cookies!!!! and milk:) Demonic Crypts |
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Quarto New Kid Posts: 20 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat [Re: #25010]
#25020 - 06/20/07 01:23 PM |
I'm a mage without knockback abilities. I just run between them and they eventually split apart. Just cant let them wander into nearby encounters. -------------------- Quarto Mage of World 5 |
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Silicia Rabbit Puncher Posts: 81 |
Re: Guide: Killing HDoL healers without a sweat [Re: #25020]
#25037 - 06/20/07 03:05 PM |
Quote: Aye, this works wonders, but it takes a bit of positioning. You have to stand EXACTLY in between them, or they will both walk the same way. With a knockdown standing in between is a lot easier, since one of them is further away, and he wont start to move when you try to get in between However, not everyone wants or has a knockdown on their skill bar (Me included at times). So just standing in between them, with some practice, is just about the same as having knockdown. ~Silicia |
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